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Richi Sunak
Tory MPs have just, without any mandate from the British electorate, voted in as representative of their party & the country, the first non-white leader of any European country in its history, that is to say back & before pre-Roman times. A man who is richer than any other European politician, a Hindu of a Christian country, who has recently applied for a green card to work in the US, & whose fabulously wealthy wife has had to be shamed into paying UK taxes, and who has i.m.o. the charisma of my front door mat (which, memo. badly needs replacing) & would have less chance of connecting with the working class people beyond the 'red Wall' than a covid- bearing Chinaman.
Has the Tory party gone collectively mad?
Has the Tory party gone collectively mad?
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I can see where you're coming from, Khandro. Think of all the kudos and apologies you'll receive when reality dawns and Rishi imposes CBDC and Digital Id's. (Jim must be rubbing his hands together in anticipation
18:16 Wed 26th Oct 2022
Khandro, I would loved to have seen Boris return - but do you honestly think the knives would have left him alone for long enough to get on with the job? Of course they wouldn’t. He’s done precisely the right thing - as he said - for the good of the country. And it is.
Just between you and I, you are coming across as racist and anti-Semitic. I’m sure that’s not your intention. Just thought I’d mention it.
Just between you and I, you are coming across as racist and anti-Semitic. I’m sure that’s not your intention. Just thought I’d mention it.
Khandro
The truth is - Johnson brought down himself. He was already in borrowed time before the Chris Pincher incident. There were just too many lies and scandals which saw support for the Tories wane.
It’s easy to forget how bad things were for the Tories because in comparison to the utter failure of his replacement, in retrospect he seemed okay. But Johnson’s problem is he’s a great campaigner, a great galvaniser, but a below average leader.
Don’t you think the best we can do for the country now is get behind the PM? The man who predicted the mess Truss would make of our finances?
The truth is - Johnson brought down himself. He was already in borrowed time before the Chris Pincher incident. There were just too many lies and scandals which saw support for the Tories wane.
It’s easy to forget how bad things were for the Tories because in comparison to the utter failure of his replacement, in retrospect he seemed okay. But Johnson’s problem is he’s a great campaigner, a great galvaniser, but a below average leader.
Don’t you think the best we can do for the country now is get behind the PM? The man who predicted the mess Truss would make of our finances?
SP, a ‘below average leader’? Really? Not bad for a man who led his party to unprecedented success in the last general election, who put this country at the forefront of the world in the fight against Covid, and whose support for Ukraine was second to none. You might not like him but at the very least you should give credit where it’s due - and it’s well and truly due to him. I’d hazard an educated guess that if the question of who should lead this country were put before the electorate his name wouldn’t be at the bottom of the list.
I believe that the knives would have been stored for later use. Even the thickest MP must know there is a limit their party can be at each others' throats. Very likely it has already gone on too long. It was madness not to have accepted that democracy had won through, and backed up the government in dealing with remaining issues. But even so, there must be a limit to the madness.
naomi24
I think he was a bad leader. If he could've only behaved like a true leader, then the country wouldn't be in this mess now.
He got his landslide partly because he "got Brexit done" - which is, of course nonsense. Brexit is FAR from done because different factions of the Tory party are tearing lumps out of each other over it. Boris didn't define the exit strategy so now we have groups of Tories, such as the ERG, the One Nationers, the IEA and the Tufton Street mob all pulling the party apart because Boris was big on slogans but weak on detail.
The vaccine roll out was a huge success and the Tories should receive plaudits for the courage it took to secure the deal with AstraZeneca.
But this had to be weighed against the number of people who died unnecessarily because Johnson delayed the start of lockdown. The number of elderly who died after being sent back to care homes to effectively spread the disease around.
The number of people who couldn't be with dying loved ones who then watched Johnson lie about parties held under his roof ("They never happened", "They happened but I wasn't there", "They happened. I WAS there and I'm sorry")
Nah...I think it best we have a period of calm at Number 10. The markets seem to think so - when Johnson announced that he wouldn't stand (he didn't have the numbers but made up a Trumpian excuse) the cost of borrowing decreased.
The cost of gilts actually went down because the markets were relieved he wasn't coming back to number 10.
If Johnson returned to Number 10, God only knows what would've happened to those with mortgages and pensions. It's bad enough after Truss' foolhardy fiscal expedition - we don't need to make it worse.
I think he was a bad leader. If he could've only behaved like a true leader, then the country wouldn't be in this mess now.
He got his landslide partly because he "got Brexit done" - which is, of course nonsense. Brexit is FAR from done because different factions of the Tory party are tearing lumps out of each other over it. Boris didn't define the exit strategy so now we have groups of Tories, such as the ERG, the One Nationers, the IEA and the Tufton Street mob all pulling the party apart because Boris was big on slogans but weak on detail.
The vaccine roll out was a huge success and the Tories should receive plaudits for the courage it took to secure the deal with AstraZeneca.
But this had to be weighed against the number of people who died unnecessarily because Johnson delayed the start of lockdown. The number of elderly who died after being sent back to care homes to effectively spread the disease around.
The number of people who couldn't be with dying loved ones who then watched Johnson lie about parties held under his roof ("They never happened", "They happened but I wasn't there", "They happened. I WAS there and I'm sorry")
Nah...I think it best we have a period of calm at Number 10. The markets seem to think so - when Johnson announced that he wouldn't stand (he didn't have the numbers but made up a Trumpian excuse) the cost of borrowing decreased.
The cost of gilts actually went down because the markets were relieved he wasn't coming back to number 10.
If Johnson returned to Number 10, God only knows what would've happened to those with mortgages and pensions. It's bad enough after Truss' foolhardy fiscal expedition - we don't need to make it worse.
I think Risha is our best option and he ought to have been installed first time..his, or his wife's , wealth is irrelevant to his ability to perform as PM.. he ,at least, has an air of authority and clear thinking strategies.. give the man a decent whack at it before condemning him.. the alternatives are spine chillingly terrifying to even contemplate
//who put this country at the forefront of the world in the fight against Covid //
You couldn't be more wrong, Naomi.
//But this had to be weighed against the number of people who died unnecessarily because Johnson delayed the start of lockdown.//
Sorry, I take that back, Naomi.
//and whose support for Ukraine was second to none.//
Oh, For Funks Sake.
You couldn't be more wrong, Naomi.
//But this had to be weighed against the number of people who died unnecessarily because Johnson delayed the start of lockdown.//
Sorry, I take that back, Naomi.
//and whose support for Ukraine was second to none.//
Oh, For Funks Sake.
Corbyloon, There is really no real comparison between Varadkar & Sunak, the former was raised as a Catholic by his Irish mother, the latter is 100% an ethnic Indian Hindu, - nothing at all wrong with that at all, but my point is that if you are going to take the step of choosing someone, the first PM of pure Indian ethnicity & cultural background to be also the youngest British PM for over 200 years, one might expect that that person would be of some exceptional ability, but the fact is, we really know very little about his professional life, other that he was an investment banker at Goldman Sachs - a piece of information incidentally which he doesn't mention on his CV !
Khandro, //the fact is, we really know very little about his professional life, other that he was an investment banker at Goldman Sachs - a piece of information incidentally which he doesn't mention on his CV ! //
I honestly don't know where you’re coming from with this - or going to. A record of his business career, including his time with Goldman Sachs, is available to anyone who wants to look. They only have to go to Wiki so it would be a bit silly for him to omit it from his CV. Why would he?
I honestly don't know where you’re coming from with this - or going to. A record of his business career, including his time with Goldman Sachs, is available to anyone who wants to look. They only have to go to Wiki so it would be a bit silly for him to omit it from his CV. Why would he?
Khandro
On a positive note...say if Sunak actually performs well. Say if his government stabilises the markets, reduces the deficit, grows the economy and make good of the opportunities afforded by Brexit.
Wouldn't this win you over?
There were many doubters that Thatcher had what it takes to become a successful PM because she was a woman and 'provincial', but that didn't stop her from becoming one of the most successful PMs of the last century.
Perhaps Sunak could win you over THIS century.
What would it take?
On a positive note...say if Sunak actually performs well. Say if his government stabilises the markets, reduces the deficit, grows the economy and make good of the opportunities afforded by Brexit.
Wouldn't this win you over?
There were many doubters that Thatcher had what it takes to become a successful PM because she was a woman and 'provincial', but that didn't stop her from becoming one of the most successful PMs of the last century.
Perhaps Sunak could win you over THIS century.
What would it take?
naomi //...so it would be a bit silly for him to omit it from his CV. Why would he?//
Dunno, ask him
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Also to the AB virtue signallers; If his ethnicity is of no consequence, why is there so much celebration of his appointment taking place in India?
Dunno, ask him
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Also to the AB virtue signallers; If his ethnicity is of no consequence, why is there so much celebration of his appointment taking place in India?
Khandro, That website tells me it's currently unavailable, but I did check his LinkedIn page and that has a link to his Wiki page where his time with Goldman Sachs is noted so it really isn't being hidden.
//If his ethnicity is of no consequence, why is there so much celebration of his appointment taking place in India? //
Because of his ethnicity. I guarantee that if an Englishman were to become President of the US (not that that's possible) our media would be full of it. That said, with regard to his ability to do the job, his ethnicity should be of no consequence to us. I haven't seen you jumping up and down about all the other people of 'ethnic' origin appointed to government roles. I honestly, truly, cannot see what your problem is.
What is it? Really?
//If his ethnicity is of no consequence, why is there so much celebration of his appointment taking place in India? //
Because of his ethnicity. I guarantee that if an Englishman were to become President of the US (not that that's possible) our media would be full of it. That said, with regard to his ability to do the job, his ethnicity should be of no consequence to us. I haven't seen you jumping up and down about all the other people of 'ethnic' origin appointed to government roles. I honestly, truly, cannot see what your problem is.
What is it? Really?
