Four By-Elections Looming Ahead.

[gulliver1]

The odds are that the Tories will lose every single one of them.
With the Boris Pantomime , the disastrous outcome of Brexit,the worst fall in living standards in a generation. High food prices, crippling energy bills, high fuel prices. Mortgage repayments going sky high, and the Economy stagnating .Why would you ever want to vote Tory again in your lifetime.

[naomi24]

As for the vote, I hate to say I told you so but I did. Foregone conclusion so no surprises there.

[Peter Pedant]

Secondly, it isn't spin: there is nothing Parliament can do that forces an MP out.
v technical
have I said this requires a leedol clarifiction

Rv Wilkes 1762 - was all about Wilkes being rejected by parliament as member for Middx.

and

Members of the House of Commons could also be fined £500, and have their seat declared vacant "as if [they] were dead", if they attempt to do so.[16] Under the Parliamentary Oaths Act 1866, any peer voting, or sitting in the House of Lords without having taken the oath, is subject, for every such offence, to a penalty of £500.

1880 - WTStead, I think was a non swearer ( as Gerry Adams is now) and was prevented from taking his seat - non conformists wished to affirm ( now allowed) - long long struggle about it from the High Anglicans

arcane parliamentary procedure NOT really justiciable ( yep heard that yesterday - courts dont allow a case about it)

[Peter Pedant]

what wrong with the mods this morning?
this thread has llasted more than three minutes !

haw haw haw

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Bradlaugh#Attempts_to_take_the_Oath

historical - I think Gladstone finally allowed a free vote on this, and ....the commons still rejected him ! - - that was attempts not to take the oath of course

Gerry adams was allowed to do constituency work, but not address the HoC

[Zacs-Master]

naomi24 ‘As for the vote, I hate to say I told you so but I did. Foregone conclusion so no surprises there’

The sheer number of votes against him tells us that this isn’t a witch hunt. Boris was damaging the party, possibly beyond repair. A witch hunt is held by a few small detractors not the vast majority of a party.

Yours, one of the cronies.

[naomi24]

//The sheer number of votes against him tells us that this isn’t a witch hunt.//

It doesn't tell me that. Parliament is full of bitter Remainers on both sides of the house - and that's what this is really all about.

[Untitled]

if it's really all about that then why did brexiters vote against him?

[Zacs-Master]

You’re denying the overwhelming evidence yet again, Naomi. You do it on thread after thread. Either that or you choose not to answer.

[naomi24]

I don't know who voted for or against or, apart from Rishi Sunak, who abstained, but if they're Labour people it's because they're his enemy and he frightens the life out of them - if they're Conservatives it's because they're stupid.

[perseverer]

118 stupid tories, then.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65953605

[naomi24]

I've answered - but apart from that, the overwhelming evidence to me is firstly he was judged by people who clearly hate him and deemed him guilty before the kangaroo court ever loaded their bottoms into their seats; secondly, much of their deliberation was based on Sue Gray's report .... a report that was constructed whilst she was in secret talks with the Labour leader about her future career, and thirdly, the severity of the penalty far outweighs the nature of the crime - and if that doesn't tell you something, nothing will. No one with an iota of common sense can seriously believe all of that was above board.

[naomi24]

Yes indeed, perseverer.

[Untitled]

“ much of their deliberation was based on Sue Gray's report ”

this simply is not true

[naomi24]

It stinks. All of it.

//While some of the evidence received by the committee stems from the evidence gathered by civil servant Sue Gray during her investigation into partygate //

https://www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainer/privileges-committee-investigation-boris-johnson

//Partygate inquiry chair Harriet Harman was in personal contact with Sue Gray in early stages of parliamentary probe//

https://news.sky.com/story/partygate-inquiry-chair-harriet-harman-was-in-personal-contact-with-sue-gray-in-early-stages-of-parliamentary-probe-12878663

[choux]

Concise, naomi :)

[Untitled]

it is not true naomi and even your own IOG link says so... you even excluded the part of thst same paragraph which says they took further evidence - behaviour which is a good example of the "spin" you so frequently accuse others of doing

the committee called its own witnesses and conducted its own inquiry ... it published every stage of this save for some witnesses whose identities were shared with Johnson and his team... at every stage they afforded him right of reply. you can read it all.

that's not a witch hunt

[Hymie]

Boris Johnson is a complete narcissist – who only has the interests of one person in his mind, Boris Johnson.

This trait makes him (and others with this condition) totally unsuitable to be placed in a position of power.

How any intelligent person cannot see this of Boris Johnson is a complete mystery to me.

[naomi24]

Well, of course they took further evidence, untitled, 'further' being the operative word. This 'investigation' was more dishonest than Boris has ever been. If anyone has brought shame upon this country and our parliament it's these people. Furthermore, in my opinion, it has set a very dicey precedent. MPs watch out!

[gulliver1]

Hymie @ 10.40 "How an intelligent person cannot see this of Boris Johnson is a complete mystery to me. Boris supporters are not intelligent though Hymie or they would see through him

[Untitled]

"Well, of course they took further evidence, untitled, 'further' being the operative word."

you really ought to actually read the report naomi because if you had then you would know that your claim about the deliberations being based on the sue gray report is factually incorrect... this is not a matter of opinion you are simply saying things that are not true.

[gulliver1]

Boris was noted for saying "Black is white & White is black" It seems to have rubbed off with some posters on this thread.