To The Professional Handwringers And Their Supporters......

[ToraToraTora]

https://thumbsnap.com/1tAgYuZG

I hope you are proud of yourselves.

[Redhelen72]

Ed has warned you before about suggesting that new users are returning users - if they were not previously banned it is not a rule breaker - so just quit it.

[ToraToraTora]

others seem to be allowed to say what is obvious.

[Canary42]

Do you often write to yourself

[sandyRoe]

Our laws were made to protect us all.

Without them people like Boris would be striding the stage like some daemonic pantomime king.

Just saying.

[naomi24]

They're certainly protecting those who shouldn't be protected.  

[gulliver1]

YMB @ 14.57 Does "TINO" mean "Tories IN Opposition"

,,,,,,,,,Just asking for a friend..OK,

[fender62]

labour have obstructed every tory law on immigration, echr is one of the main obstacles and other treaties, then we have the lords and the migrant charities, the pro migrant protestors, the church, the law firms... id say follow the money.

[Old_Geezer]

Seems they found some kind of legal loophole. One can hardly blame the church, it's their job to attract new converts/members. Perhaps the government needs to define how long one needs to declare oneself a member of their newly adopted religion (after the church has done it's bit) before they are officially considered to be part of their newly adopted religion.

 

If they weren't Christian while in their country of origin then one can't rationally believe their claimed conversion is a reason not to return them. They can always reconvert back to whatever belief system they used to have.

 

But in any case many will have illegally crossed the border from France, and I'm fairly sure they don't abuse folk for being Christian there, so there ought not be any problem taking them back across the border to where they are welcome.

[andy-hughes]

OG - // One can hardly blame the church, it's their job to attract new converts/members. //

I think one can absolutely blame the church.

The church - collectively - exists in a world not inhabited by the rest of humanity.

Their belief that their way is the right and only way blinds them to even blatently obvious manipulation by devious criminals, and that allows those criminals to take root in our society, and we have seen where some instances of that system can lead.

So, yes, the church can absolutely be blamed, and if the government has legislation that allows such ludicrous notions as 'conversion' to circumvent the laws regarding admisssion, then it needs to get it changed. Starting today.

[Khandro]

andy-hughes, why do you continually seek confrontation? what's your problem?

[naomi24]

//if the government has legislation that allows such ludicrous notions as 'conversion' to circumvent the laws regarding admisssion//

 

I don't think this is about 'admission' but rather deportation.  Feigning conversion to Christianity means that people can't be deported to countries where Christians may face danger so we're stuck with them.

 

I read another forty have now claimed conversion.  All very handy - but more fool the church for believing them and vouching for them.  

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - // andy-hughes, why do you continually seek confrontation? //

I don't.

 // what's your problem? //

I don't have a 'problem' in the sense you imply.

In this instance - naive pompous interferers who think that a desparate criminal who says he wants to be 'Christian' is to be believed.

These criminals would recite the Rubaiyat of Omar Khayyam backwards in Latin if they thought it was what as needed to give them a chance to stay here.

So today, on this thread, that's not my 'problem', it's what's being disucssued, and that's my contribution to the debate.

Perhaps you can conjour up something, instead of pointless questions that have nothing to do with the OP.

[Canary42]

Whenever they're on the ropes as a result of their utter incompentency in government, the Tories always fall back on "It would be worse under Labour".  

The fact that that's the best they can offer shows just how intellectually impoverished they are.

[andy-hughes]

Saying something else is / would be 'worse' does not change what is happening. 

The Conservatives saying it would be 'worse' under Labour, is like saying - my toothache is not as bad as the man next door's broken leg.

That may be true, but it does nothing to cure the agony in my mouth!

[Old_Geezer]

But you don't want both !