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Would Killer Be Better Off Dead?
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This serial killer of geriatrics was jailed in 1988.
It has already cost the taxpayer a fortune, now a further �100,000 to have his convictions "downgraded".
He will remain in Broadmoor for the rest of his life.
Now deemed to have been suffering from "an abnormality of the mind", wouldn't he and the country be far better off were he to be "put down"?
This serial killer of geriatrics was jailed in 1988.
It has already cost the taxpayer a fortune, now a further �100,000 to have his convictions "downgraded".
He will remain in Broadmoor for the rest of his life.
Now deemed to have been suffering from "an abnormality of the mind", wouldn't he and the country be far better off were he to be "put down"?
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In my opinion, yes.
It's easy to say that these people have "abnormalities of the mind", and to try and medicate them into sedated calmness, but when you get repeated crimes of this sort, there's never going to be any proper "cure" for them, and they offer nothing useful to society - except, perhaps to psychologists and psychiatrists to ponder over.
It's easy to say that these people have "abnormalities of the mind", and to try and medicate them into sedated calmness, but when you get repeated crimes of this sort, there's never going to be any proper "cure" for them, and they offer nothing useful to society - except, perhaps to psychologists and psychiatrists to ponder over.
yes society is better off with people like him locked away forever no matter what the cost, /unfortunatly i dot condone his killig as two wrongs dont make a right and killing him wont bring back those he killed. At the end of the day he is someones son, brother etc and perhaps he himself has mental healthissues which have been untreated. Dont jump at me i am not condoning or excusing his actions. You would have to have some mental defect to take the lives of others in a cold way . His behaviour is certainly not that of your average joe soap
I respect pink's opinion there, but as she knows, I have two sons of my own. If either of them grew up to become serial killers, heartbreaking as though it'd be, I'd expect them to receive the full penalty of the law, whether it included capital punishment or not.
Once - possibly twice - this could be put down to manslaughter through diminished responsibility (genetic fault or sudden/temporary brain anomaly), but a serial murderer is something else. Outbursts of aggression and hate that result in these type of crimes should be dealt with properly, and no, in these cases, I'm afraid I don't think that tax payer's money is being well spent in keeping them locked away forever.
This particular man "liked killing", and whether insane or not, he knew what he was doing.
Once - possibly twice - this could be put down to manslaughter through diminished responsibility (genetic fault or sudden/temporary brain anomaly), but a serial murderer is something else. Outbursts of aggression and hate that result in these type of crimes should be dealt with properly, and no, in these cases, I'm afraid I don't think that tax payer's money is being well spent in keeping them locked away forever.
This particular man "liked killing", and whether insane or not, he knew what he was doing.
I also wonder that pink. I'm anti-violence, and yet I think there are occasions that call for dealing with repeated hideous crimes in a fashion that puts a stop to the perpetrator from committing any more.
Had this man not realised what he was doing, or had it been manslaughter through being "goaded" to the extent that he lashed out and killed someone unintentionally, then there's reason to believe that a life sentence, with correct counselling and treatment might help, but I seriously don't believe that this applies in this case. The man liked what he did, which suggests there was a degree of pre-meditation about his actions, or at least that he sought out the idealistic opportunity to carry out the murders. For that, I can't think of any excuse.
Had this man not realised what he was doing, or had it been manslaughter through being "goaded" to the extent that he lashed out and killed someone unintentionally, then there's reason to believe that a life sentence, with correct counselling and treatment might help, but I seriously don't believe that this applies in this case. The man liked what he did, which suggests there was a degree of pre-meditation about his actions, or at least that he sought out the idealistic opportunity to carry out the murders. For that, I can't think of any excuse.
Ice.Maiden.....if this man was suffering from schizophrenia at the time of the murders there is a very high chance that he didn't know what he was doing.He didn't "like killing",he had a compulsion to do so-a compulsion he had no control over.It would be entirely different if he was a sociopath or psychopath,they are fully aware of their crimes,schizophrenics aren't.
A life for a life.....I read in the paper yesterday about a peado gang of men that raped and killed a boy called jason swift and terrorised many others...hes out now and it sickens me to the stomach to think such people are allowed to roam the streets and have a life knowing that they have taken others, I can only imagine how frightened these poor people were, and I believe if there is sufficient evidence, they should be removed from the earth for there horrific crimes
I hope you (or someone you know) one day suffers from schizophrenia lil75...it can affect anyone from any walk of life you know.I would then like to see how quickly your opinion changes on what should be done to anyone unfortunate enough to be struck down by mental illness. The reason most 'schizos' don't go out killing is because there are varying types and severity of schizophrenia,a diagnosed schizophrenic will hopefully be taking drugs to control their condition.This man was UNDIAGNOSED so therefore was not on medication.
You make some interesting points daffy, but my comments about this man "liking" what he did, are based on a newspaper report from the Old Bailey:-
*The Old Bailey heard the strangler, who had a mental age of ten, was a 'killer who liked killing' *
That said, only people who suffer from schizophrenia know whether they "meant to do" the crime, or not.
People with mental illness can indeed be people of all ages and from all walks of life, but it doesn't make them all mass murderers. Those committing crimes of a lesser gravity could perhaps be helped, but whatever the gravity of these type of illnesses, I can't excuse someone who murders and sexually assaults so many defenceless old people.
It's all very well trying to show sympathy for the perpetrators, but had one of the victims been a member of your own family, you might be looking at punishments somewhat differently.
i don't believe that people in this category can be "cured". They're dangerous, and can offer no hope of safely integrating with society. A hospital or prison sentence serves no purpose at all, and therefore this is why I've chosen to answer as I do.
*The Old Bailey heard the strangler, who had a mental age of ten, was a 'killer who liked killing' *
That said, only people who suffer from schizophrenia know whether they "meant to do" the crime, or not.
People with mental illness can indeed be people of all ages and from all walks of life, but it doesn't make them all mass murderers. Those committing crimes of a lesser gravity could perhaps be helped, but whatever the gravity of these type of illnesses, I can't excuse someone who murders and sexually assaults so many defenceless old people.
It's all very well trying to show sympathy for the perpetrators, but had one of the victims been a member of your own family, you might be looking at punishments somewhat differently.
i don't believe that people in this category can be "cured". They're dangerous, and can offer no hope of safely integrating with society. A hospital or prison sentence serves no purpose at all, and therefore this is why I've chosen to answer as I do.
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I wasn't showing sympathy in any way for the perpetrator of these crimes,I was stating a few facts about the illness he was and is suffering from.Mental illness is a much misunderstood condition.
My opinion would not change if it were a member of my family he had killed.The man is where he belongs,in a secure hospital where he can do no further harm,killing him would serve no purpose to society.
My opinion would not change if it were a member of my family he had killed.The man is where he belongs,in a secure hospital where he can do no further harm,killing him would serve no purpose to society.
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Don't be silly jake. Of COURSE I wouldn't sanction the execution of children. I'm the mother of two myself, and unfortunately, I HAVE a son who's mental age is less than that of his years. If it turned out that he committed a crime of the magnitude described above, I'd be heartbroken, but he doesn't suffer with schizophrenia, and is a very kind and loving boy. We love him dearly, and instill the best of values into him.
However, if he - or anyone else - turned into a serial murderer, then I would question the reasons why for the rest of days and hope that there'd be some form of treatment, but I still agree that certain crimes warrant the death penalty.
It's each to their own opinions, and I'm certainly not alone in this.
Finally, to daffy - I respect what you've said, but killing this particular man, as you put it, WOULD serve a purpose to society. We'd have one less mass murderer to pay for, and one less for the psychiatrists to try and work on to no avail.
Don't be silly jake. Of COURSE I wouldn't sanction the execution of children. I'm the mother of two myself, and unfortunately, I HAVE a son who's mental age is less than that of his years. If it turned out that he committed a crime of the magnitude described above, I'd be heartbroken, but he doesn't suffer with schizophrenia, and is a very kind and loving boy. We love him dearly, and instill the best of values into him.
However, if he - or anyone else - turned into a serial murderer, then I would question the reasons why for the rest of days and hope that there'd be some form of treatment, but I still agree that certain crimes warrant the death penalty.
It's each to their own opinions, and I'm certainly not alone in this.
Finally, to daffy - I respect what you've said, but killing this particular man, as you put it, WOULD serve a purpose to society. We'd have one less mass murderer to pay for, and one less for the psychiatrists to try and work on to no avail.
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