Ufo's Are They Real

[gramps85]

There's any interesting article in todays Dail Mail relating to the late Prince Phillip's belief in UFO's.  I remember listening to an interview with Neil Armstrong who said the the late Prince asked to meet the crew of Apollo 11 when they did their tour. Armstrong said that all Phillip was interested was whether the crew had seen any flying saucers or anything that could not be explained.

Do other's have their views or seen anything that could be described as a UFO.

[jackthehat]

TTT generally illustrates his points with maths.

As it is generally assumed that the Laws of physics apply equally across the entire universe, what can't be done here (because of physics) won't be able to be done out there, either (because of the same physics).

However, assumptions made in the small arm of a galaxy in a corner of a vast universe may have been successfully challenged elsewhere by beings who would view MENSA as a small club for dullards.....

[Peter Pedant]

we will never communicate and if you doubt that, you're a moron.

o god I am in the peculiar position -  altho I have the reputation of being madder than a thing that is mad - anything I add to this thread of insanity will make me look as sane as Einstein ! or Heisenberg -  or Goethe - or Wittgenstien

[Peter Pedant]

challenged elsewhere by beings who would view MENSA as a small club for dullards.....

hey hang on - TTT is a member of the brainy club ( Mensa) and it very insulting to call then 'dullards' No No No ( thx to Mrs Thatcher)

[ToraToraTora]

the fastest craft we have will take 30000 years to get past the Oort cloud, that's about a quarter of the way to the closest neighbouring solar system. No one would be more deleighted than me to meet aliens but I know that will never happen. There is an outside chance of some sort of communication but that is pretty close to 0 chance too. Even if we enter the realm of science fiction we couldn't really do much in the vastness of even our own galaxy. Let's say 10c (warp 10), a chat with someone even at the closest star would take 8 months to get a reply when we say "hi" and that's barely out of the front door in galactic terms. Whenever this comes up I think most just do not comprehend the sheer vastness of even our own solar system let alone the galaxy.

[THECORBYLOON]

You are talking about us travelling to meet or communicate with other life in our Milky Way but what about aliens, somewhere in our Milky Way, billions of year more advanced than us, visiting or communicating with us?

[naomi24]

TTT, //No one would be more deleighted than me to meet aliens but I know that will never happen. //

 

The chances are you will never meet aliens but you have no idea what the future holds.  Your vision is limited by 'now'.  Don't stop thinking.

 

https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/nova/article/are-the-laws-of-physics-really-universal/

[drmorgans]

 

Also we live for 60-80-100 years, civilisation (farming, literacy) has existed for around 10,000 years, with our planet 3.5 billion years old and the universe 14.5 billion. We're an insignificant blip.

 

[sandyRoe]

When I was a teenager I was sitting with a group of friends on a wall near our homes.  We saw the classic cigar shaped object moving across the sky.  My first thought was it was the fuselage of an aeroplane catching the last rays of the setting sun.  But then it turned at what seemed to be a 90° angle and flew eastward.

It was probably a trick of the evening light and it really was a plane, but that stayed in my memory.

[Peter Pedant]

well I side wiv super bright TTT on this one - the laws of physics are immutable - which is  kinda meant by 'law'

But

"That was during the epoch of inflation, during the first split-second of the Universe's existence, when the expansion of the Universe occurred at a rate that was effectively far faster than the speed of light."

at some time near the big bang, when the laws of physics, the eggheads conclude, did not apply

( just trying to help along the discussion)

[10ClarionSt]

What about the "wow" signal? Government depoits were set up on the basis of it weren't they? Maybe not but I think SETI was. Then it turned out years later, that the "wow" signal was someone using the microwave! Tis true Earthlings!

[10ClarionSt]

depts ^^^^

[THECORBYLOON]

"Then it turned out years later, that the "wow" signal was someone using the microwave! Tis true"

Are you certain it's "true"?

[sandyRoe]

Could there be big bangs rather than just one?  If our Universe is expanding might it reach a place where it has run out of energy and starts to contract?  All matter condensed in one tiny point and then another big bang.

Truly frightening and doesn't bear thinking about.

[THECORBYLOON]

SANDY, think of the money you'd save on travelling...

[sandyRoe]

True, true.  Every cloud has a silver lining.

[gramps85]

When primitive man first looked out from his cave and saw lands far, far away, he could only look and wonder and he knew that it was impossible for him to reach these lands.  Along came the wheel, manpower, steam power, electric power and nuclear power. It once took months to cross the Atlantic, now it can be travelled in a matter of hours.

Travel to distant stars is at present an impossibility for us, we simply do not have the technology, the same as primitive man didn't have the technolgy to travel to the lands he could only see.

As pointed out there are galaxies out there that are millions of years older than us, with the possibility, and I emphasise, the possibility of far advanced civilisations who have the ability to travel vast distances.

Many years into the future, mankind may visit other stars, or be visited by travellers in space.  My biggest regret that I will not be around to witness it.  Unless there is such a thing as re-incarnation.

[Peter Pedant]

Then it turned out years later, that the "wow" signal was someone using the microwave! Tis true Earthlings!

even better, the background hum they got on advanced super telescopes turned out to be the background echo of ye olde bigge bang! ( True nobel prize winners !) ( Penzias and Wilson)

[Peter Pedant]

My old physics master - Ensor - who wrote the electromagnetic entries in the Encyclopaedia Britannica 1935 ( whaaaaaat?) said that his research was done in Glasgow when the trams stopped running ( electirc see?). The passing trams put out the calibration on the supersensitive machines.

AND

Jocelyin Burnett Bell ( I havent done badly out of the woman who should have got the Nobel prize)  was prepared to  sit in freezing radiotelescopes listening to the beep-beep-beep and described quasars - originally given the name LGM -  little green men. Of course they werent.

and the men conspired to exclude her from the Prize, just to excoriate and enrage the women on AB. And Hoyle ( and did he shout "oy"? someone quips. he did indeed) protested and wrecked they say his own chances of a Nobel

[douglas9401]

"Every cloud has a silver lining."

Except the Oort Cloud.

Now, as I sit at the table on a grey November day, slurping my soup, I'm bound to wonder is 10C twice a traitorous as 5C and if it is are we doomed?

[naomi24]

I've never heard of that microwave explanation.