The Manchester Bombing.

[Theland]

How sad that the service to commemorate the victims of the Maamchester Arena atrocity, still failed to call out the true cause of this evil.
The Quran.
We learn nothing.
We refuse to stand up strong, and prefer to sing songs about coming together.
The youngest victim, Saffi Roussos, 8, lives on in my heart as a representative of all of the victims, and I think we betray their memories by continuing to deny the evil truth staring us in the face.
Don't look back in anger? I do, and I hope many others will too.

[naomi24]

The majority of westerners don’t understand the mindset. Nothing patronising about saying that. It's true.

[jim360]

It's disappointing that some people are determined to paint Muslims as a whole as the enemy, which is, in fact, the same objective of the terrorists they rightly decry. I'm not wanting to draw a moral equivalence by any means, but the outcome is the same. It's needlessly divisive.

[Theland]

So many miss the point. Virtually every bloodbath is a Muslim outrage. Yes?

[THECORBYLOON]

What was your God doing when the IRA/Sinn Féin were murdering folk? Were they good Christians?

[Theland]

Did they follow the teachings of Christ?
No?
Then they were not Christians.
You could have worked that out for yourself.

[vetuste_ennemi]

No, they weren't.
Neither did they claim to be.
They committed atrocities to further a political and local cause.

Which is why nobody conflated IRA with RC, although some of us may have conflated IRA with Irish.

In other words we are not talking about the Babington Plot or the Armada.

[Theland]

Wearing a cross does not make you Christian.
Bearing your cross does.

[Theland]

Off to YouTube for a lecture/debate.

[THECORBYLOON]

It was just coincidental they were murdering Protestants then? How many were ex-communicated?

[THECORBYLOON]

"Calls have been made for a full public inquiry into the role of clergymen in terrorism after The Observer learnt that three more priests were involved with the Provisional IRA at the time of the 1972 Claudy bomb massacre.

One of the priests was the IRA's officer commanding the Provos' North Antrim Brigade. He cannot be named for legal reasons.

The other priests who joined the IRA at the beginning of the Ulster Troubles were Father Patrick Fell and Father John Burns.

Fell served more than 10 years in an English jail over a conspiracy to cause explosions in Coventry during the early Seventies. He was convicted alongside Frank Stagg and Michael Gaughan, two IRA men who died on hunger strike in English prisons.

On his release Fell, like the priest who bombed Claudy, Father James Chesney, was allowed to serve as a priest in a rural parish in Donegal.

In 1972, Burns disappeared from his parish at St Theresa's Catholic Church in the Possilpark area of Glasgow. He fled back to Ireland after Strathclyde police raided his home searching for weapons and explosives. He was given sanctuary by fellow priests but later left the priesthood."

I expect the Roman Catholic priests would say they were following the teachings of Christ...

[Theland]

The Roman Catholic Church demands allegiance to IT, and not to Christ. It is not Christian, but a cult.
Do not cite priests as examples of Christianity.

[naomi24]

Jim at 23.26, strangely the divisiveness you mention isn’t in evidence elsewhere. We have all sorts of people living, quite happily, among us but we watch whilst Muslims demand – and receive – special privileges, we watch whilst crimes and ethically abhorrent practices committed by Muslims are excused, tolerated, or concealed - and we watch whilst physical barriers are erected within our cities and public places because we know without doubt that we can expect repeated murderous attacks on the innocent…. and no one, whatever their ethnicity or nationality, knows whether that man with the beard or that woman swathed in her uniform hijab may be considered friend or foe. It should therefore come as no surprise to you that people are wary and mistrusting. If you insist on apportioning blame, allocate it where it belongs - squarely at the feet of Islam. Islam is the author of its own misfortune.

THECORBYLOON, The specious IRA comparison demonstrates an ignorance of both religion and politics. See v_e’s post at 01:25.

And meanwhile Theland continues to denounce other self-proclaimed Christians. So much for religion. Happy days. :o/

[Khandro]

Leftist-liberalism is hopelessly inadequate when it attempts to direct itself to Islam, as several people are doing on here.
The first and most egregious mistake is to speak of "Muslims", this alone shows a fundamental lack of understanding of the major divisions within that religion.
Ask yourselves, from what are the genuine refugees fleeing?
and go figure!

[Khandro]

No answers, well here's a clue. These fleeing Muslims aren't fleeing from attacks by Christians, Buddhists, Jains, Zoroastrians or Mormons.

[Theland]

Yes I denounce SELF PROCLAIMED CHRISTIANS.
The trouble is, so many pay lip service to the bible and then mix it up with their own rubbish.
For example, J.W.s, Mormons, Roman Catholics, the list goes on.
Only by following the New Testament teachings of Christ can anybody legitimately call themselves Christian.

[Khandro]

Theland, 'Christianity' is a phenomenon which goes beyond, simply the teachings of Jesus. It is not, unlike Islam, static dogma, it has changed and it will continue to change dynamically for the future.

[Theland]

Khandro, "The world will pass away but my words will never pass away".
The milksop Church Of England changes to accommodate society, ecumenism, gay clergy, the list goes on.
In a word, you might change, the scriptures stand.

[naomi24]

Theland, //Yes I denounce SELF PROCLAIMED CHRISTIANS. //

But you're a self-proclaimed Christian too, and just like all the rest, you also think you're right. Religion? Who'd 'ave it?!

[andy-hughes]

Theland - // Yes I denounce SELF PROCLAIMED CHRISTIANS. //

How is it possible to be a Christian, or indeed a follower of any faith, unless you proclaim it?

Somewhere, surely, you have to proclaim in order to let people know of your faith?

[Theland]

So where does my belief differ from what is taught in the New Testament?
You are being deliberately sharp Naomi, and not backing it up with evidence.
Throw a stone into the pond and watch the ripples.
I expect more of you.