The Manchester Bombing.

[Theland]

How sad that the service to commemorate the victims of the Maamchester Arena atrocity, still failed to call out the true cause of this evil.
The Quran.
We learn nothing.
We refuse to stand up strong, and prefer to sing songs about coming together.
The youngest victim, Saffi Roussos, 8, lives on in my heart as a representative of all of the victims, and I think we betray their memories by continuing to deny the evil truth staring us in the face.
Don't look back in anger? I do, and I hope many others will too.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I wonder why the Molicks often announce their atrocities with an "Allahu Akbar" while the Cartlicks seldom prefaced theirs with a "Nunc dimmitis".

[vetuste_ennemi]

//a few hundred thousand - end of War 1945 - Japan
Human wave tactics Korea
Viet cong in Vietnam war
Is that enough or are they different ?//

Shame the Buddhist monks weren't mentioned seeing as how Vietnam was mentioned. Nonetheless...

Ah, that's enough - but different? Let's use bollards on bridges by suicide terror group as a metric and see if we can arrive at an answer we all agree on.

[vetuste_ennemi]

oh dear, was "dimmitis" for dimittis a Freudian slurp?

[ChillDoubt]

I pray to the heavens that one day I’ll live in a secular society........

[Peter Pedant]

ban .......[sigh]- so the japanese suicide bombers 1944-5 Kamikase werent shinto or werent suicide
( or werent a lot or werent something else )

while the Cartlicks seldom prefaced theirs with a "Nunc dimmitis". alleluia, surely

1979 when bobby sands was starving himself - yes there was singing of hymns. Alot of us were disgusted at the travesty [ that he was dying for religious beliefs when he clearly was not]

and Buddhist monks in Viet
Thich Tri Quang having co ordinated the support for the viet cong and militated against the Americans
was rewarded in 1975 when the Viet Cong won, with .....
house arrest
just saying

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Th%C3%ADch_Tr%C3%AD_Quang

[vetuste_ennemi]

The universal phenomenon of Islamic terrorism is important.
Much like bird flu and Ebola. It needs an explanation and a cure. Sad resignation like Sadiq Khan's "part and parcel of..." has spiritual precedent in religious history (and, for that matter, Watership Down).

Practical people who are a bit sipped off with it and want to see an end to it are not satisfied by facile comparisons to local nationalist movements like the IRA, EOKA or Mau-Mau.

[10ClarionSt]

Peter, I asked about religions, not wars.

Anyway, I love reading The Lands' posts. Makes me laugh. I'm wondering who writes his scripts.

[Khandro]

Chilldoubt; //I pray to the heavens that one day I’ll live in a secular society........//

North Korea awaits you - though of course Rocket man is its unquestionable deity, - there's no escape!

Actually the place which is considered - according to The Washington Post - to be the most irreligious in the World is Scandinavia. But the joke is that that journal and the Scandinavians don't appear realise that the Islamic world is well aware of this fact and is rapidly filling the vacuum with Sweden looking highly likely to become Europe's first Islamic country.
So it goes from being 'moderately religious', to 'non religious', to highly religious all in the space of a couple decades. A nice pied-à-terre in Europe, to be followed by where next, - France?
ChillDoubt; Be careful what you wish for. ;0)

[andy-hughes]

Peter Pedant - // {andie I dont go for this 'I dont know' bit when I contribute...] //

No problem, I don't go for your wilful refusal to spell my name correctly, or your inability to post anything that makes the remotest sense.

It takes all sorts!

[Garaman]

From what I can gather, the father of Saffi Roussos is very much behind the idea of coming together and singing songs. That means far more to me than Theland's view on the way to remember poor Saffi.

[Prudie]

Andy - "You do have to be a psychopath to be a terrorist" - I don't accept that at all. The definition of a psychopath (and they vary) are along the lines of "a person suffering from chronic mental disorder with abnormal or violent social behaviour" "a person with a psychopathic personality, which manifests as amoral and antisocial behaviour, lack of ability to love or establish meaningful personal relationships, extreme egocentricity, failure to learn from experience, etc."
Many terrorists, including Islamic extremists, are totally passionate about their cause and will go to any lengths to promote it however many of them will have loving and caring relationships within their own lives and deep held values of their own.
It's almost as though you are saying Islamic terrorists are not carrying out atrocious attacks because of Islam but because they're nutcases who have 'tagged' onto a cause.

[Khandro]

//Many terrorists, including Islamic extremists, are totally passionate about their cause............ //
Passionate no doubt, but not necessarily knowledgeable, the 9/11 plane bombers turned out to be not very religious at all, and many copies of 'Islam for Dummies' have been found in former ISIS strongholds.

[andy-hughes]

Prudie - // It's almost as though you are saying Islamic terrorists are not carrying out atrocious attacks because of Islam but because they're nutcases who have 'tagged' onto a cause. //

It's not 'almost what I'm saying...' - it's exactly what I'm saying.

No sane person murders and maims strangers who don't share their religious views, it's simply not rational behaviour.

You can be as fanatical as you like about anything - Islam, Stoke City, Tom Petty, the object of your fanaticism doesn't matter.

The fact that you feel the need to kill people who don't share your fanaticism means you have shifted into psychopathy.

[hereIam]

No it doesn't, it means you are a thick, uneducated, moronic peasant who is totally entrenched in your sick culture !

[fender62]

it's the will of allah to make the world sharia...gods word according to islam, so it follows that it's more hard core believe thye are doing allahs will by killing raping bombing or by whatever means to get his will over the world..its devine.

[Garaman]

...and yet a lot of the terrorists aren't hardcore Muslims, and in fact don't know much about Islam as Khandro has pointed out. They seem to be using Islam to justify their killings.

[andy-hughes]

hereIam - // No it doesn't, it means you are a thick, uneducated, moronic peasant who is totally entrenched in your sick culture ! //


No danger of an unpleasant uniformed derogatory sweeping statement without a scintilla of foundation in fact from you then!

[Theland]

I need a rest from this.
A parting word.
Will we be lucky enough to abandon political correctness and kick out all the Muslim refugees on the grounds of national security, and close down all the mosques.
I can dream.

[-Talbot-]

I've met some very fanatical Stoke fans but thankfully Stoke City, Tom Petty, fans... to the best of my knowledge have never shifted into psychopathy and killed non Stoke City or Tom Petty fans.

[NoMercy]

Hereiam - straight to the point and bang on!