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The Manchester Bombing.
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How sad that the service to commemorate the victims of the Maamchester Arena atrocity, still failed to call out the true cause of this evil.
The Quran.
We learn nothing.
We refuse to stand up strong, and prefer to sing songs about coming together.
The youngest victim, Saffi Roussos, 8, lives on in my heart as a representative of all of the victims, and I think we betray their memories by continuing to deny the evil truth staring us in the face.
Don't look back in anger? I do, and I hope many others will too.
The Quran.
We learn nothing.
We refuse to stand up strong, and prefer to sing songs about coming together.
The youngest victim, Saffi Roussos, 8, lives on in my heart as a representative of all of the victims, and I think we betray their memories by continuing to deny the evil truth staring us in the face.
Don't look back in anger? I do, and I hope many others will too.
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pixie374
It doesn't matter whether it is "twisted" or a direct instruction to kill all non-muslims. Clearly a book cannot be blamed for anything at all. It's no excuse, the blame is entirely with those individuals responsible.
Then we all need to stop whining about guns in America.
A book is an inanimate object just like a gun...the blame is entirely with those individuals responsible for the killing.
It doesn't matter whether it is "twisted" or a direct instruction to kill all non-muslims. Clearly a book cannot be blamed for anything at all. It's no excuse, the blame is entirely with those individuals responsible.
Then we all need to stop whining about guns in America.
A book is an inanimate object just like a gun...the blame is entirely with those individuals responsible for the killing.
Talbot - // Then we all need to stop whining about guns in America.
A book is an inanimate object just like a gun...the blame is entirely with those individuals responsible for the killing. //
I think you'll find that no-one actually moans about guns as being the cause of so much death and destruction, because they are not responsible, being inanimate objects.
Guns don't kill people, gun culture does.
Korans don't kill people, Islamic fundamentalism does.
No-one would be naïve enough to blame a book or a piece of metal for what human beings do to each other.
A book is an inanimate object just like a gun...the blame is entirely with those individuals responsible for the killing. //
I think you'll find that no-one actually moans about guns as being the cause of so much death and destruction, because they are not responsible, being inanimate objects.
Guns don't kill people, gun culture does.
Korans don't kill people, Islamic fundamentalism does.
No-one would be naïve enough to blame a book or a piece of metal for what human beings do to each other.
Well worth a read, if you've got time.
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Talbot - // So you're saying the very same basket cases who blow people up and claim to be Muslim would do the same if they were say ...Jewish or Sikh because it has nothing to do with Islam? //
What I am saying is that extemist Islamic views are one of a number of handy pegs on which to hang an desire to hurt and kill complete strangers.
It gets the most publicity because it is terrorism - that is what terrorism is, by definition, creating the most upset and unrest and fear possible.
The motivations that make people want to kill other people are vast and varied, and religious extremism is simply one of them, but yes, if a psychopath was not a Muslim, they could soon find some other peg on which to hang their behaviour, because that is basic human nature.
No murderer looks at themselves in the mirror and says "I am an irredeemably horrible human being who no longer deserves to draw breath, and the world would be better without me."
That is not how we function - we find reasons to do the things we do - mostly rooted in perfectly normal and acceptable behaviours, but in some cases, such as extremists, then not.
In conclusion, psychopaths like hurting and killing people. If they can justify that in the name of 'religion', it saves any doubts in the wee small hours.
It's nice to have a 'cause' to hang psychopathic behaviour on, but it is by no means essential.
What I am saying is that extemist Islamic views are one of a number of handy pegs on which to hang an desire to hurt and kill complete strangers.
It gets the most publicity because it is terrorism - that is what terrorism is, by definition, creating the most upset and unrest and fear possible.
The motivations that make people want to kill other people are vast and varied, and religious extremism is simply one of them, but yes, if a psychopath was not a Muslim, they could soon find some other peg on which to hang their behaviour, because that is basic human nature.
No murderer looks at themselves in the mirror and says "I am an irredeemably horrible human being who no longer deserves to draw breath, and the world would be better without me."
That is not how we function - we find reasons to do the things we do - mostly rooted in perfectly normal and acceptable behaviours, but in some cases, such as extremists, then not.
In conclusion, psychopaths like hurting and killing people. If they can justify that in the name of 'religion', it saves any doubts in the wee small hours.
It's nice to have a 'cause' to hang psychopathic behaviour on, but it is by no means essential.
Theland, // You are being deliberately sharp Naomi,…. //
Theland. I’ve always been sharp - I've gained accolades for it you know - but thank you. That’s the nicest thing you’ve said to me for ages. ;o)
//…and not backing it up with evidence.//
I have no idea what I’ve said that you think requires evidence but if you let me know I’ll do my best to oblige.
andy-hughes, //No-one would be naïve enough to blame a book…//
The naivety is in failing to comprehend a mindset that is wholly dependent upon the content of a book.
Theland. I’ve always been sharp - I've gained accolades for it you know - but thank you. That’s the nicest thing you’ve said to me for ages. ;o)
//…and not backing it up with evidence.//
I have no idea what I’ve said that you think requires evidence but if you let me know I’ll do my best to oblige.
andy-hughes, //No-one would be naïve enough to blame a book…//
The naivety is in failing to comprehend a mindset that is wholly dependent upon the content of a book.
//A teacher at a British mosque told supporters to target Prince George at school and inject poison into supermarket ice creams, a court has heard.//
How long was this 'teacher' at the mosque preacher his bile?
How many people regularly listened to him and why?
How many mosques have 'teachers' preaching the same bile?
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How long was this 'teacher' at the mosque preacher his bile?
How many people regularly listened to him and why?
How many mosques have 'teachers' preaching the same bile?
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Talbot - // ah...so it is just coincidental that the vast majority of these lunatics are Muslim?
They could just as easily have been Buddhist...I'with you now. //
There is a cultural aspect to Islam whereby it involves the adherent in its practices to a level and degree that may be unique, I am not qualified to judge.
That can, and in some cases does, lead to fanatical levels of interpretation which again are not found in other faiths.
But world history shows over and over that terrorism is not about religion, it is about power, and as I have said, I believe that some psychopaths use their desire for power and control to convince others that there is a justification for acts of terrorism and murder.
The important thing to remember is that, currently, a lot of terrorists are Islamists, but by no means all.
You do have to be a psychopath to be a terrorist, that's essential, but being a Muslim fundamentalist is merely a convenient peg of justification, it really is nothing to do with religion at all.
Plenty of people manage to by psychopaths and terrorists without the need to justify what they do with a twisted version of a world religion.
Only a psychopathic mind is the common denominator, the rest is merely justification, and it's not essential.
They could just as easily have been Buddhist...I'with you now. //
There is a cultural aspect to Islam whereby it involves the adherent in its practices to a level and degree that may be unique, I am not qualified to judge.
That can, and in some cases does, lead to fanatical levels of interpretation which again are not found in other faiths.
But world history shows over and over that terrorism is not about religion, it is about power, and as I have said, I believe that some psychopaths use their desire for power and control to convince others that there is a justification for acts of terrorism and murder.
The important thing to remember is that, currently, a lot of terrorists are Islamists, but by no means all.
You do have to be a psychopath to be a terrorist, that's essential, but being a Muslim fundamentalist is merely a convenient peg of justification, it really is nothing to do with religion at all.
Plenty of people manage to by psychopaths and terrorists without the need to justify what they do with a twisted version of a world religion.
Only a psychopathic mind is the common denominator, the rest is merely justification, and it's not essential.
10ClarionSt - // How many suicide bombers have there been from other religions? //
My point is that religion is not the reason for terrorism, power is.
The fact that Islam attracts terrorists who use it as a smoke-screen is not because of the faith as such.
It is because the amount to which the faith impacts on the lives of its followers mean that extremism is easily exploitable, but the reason for the exploitation is not for the spread of the faith, because clearly that is never going to succeed.
The exploitation is because extremism is very attractive to the psychotic mind, it gives a formless urge to kill strangers a framework and an ideology as justification.
But that's simply a method of justifying psychopathy for those who need it - not all do by any means.
My point is that religion is not the reason for terrorism, power is.
The fact that Islam attracts terrorists who use it as a smoke-screen is not because of the faith as such.
It is because the amount to which the faith impacts on the lives of its followers mean that extremism is easily exploitable, but the reason for the exploitation is not for the spread of the faith, because clearly that is never going to succeed.
The exploitation is because extremism is very attractive to the psychotic mind, it gives a formless urge to kill strangers a framework and an ideology as justification.
But that's simply a method of justifying psychopathy for those who need it - not all do by any means.
Where I differ from some other contributors on the subject of my knowledge is as it has always been -
I am perfectly comfortable contributing to a debate based on my perceptions, rather than my knowledge, and I have no problem admitting my absence of knowledge.
Others however are the opposite, they simply never tire of rolling their eyes at the perceived ignorance of anyone who knows less than they claim to know, which is basically everyone else.
The difference is, I don't claim to know the answers, with no justification beyond my own boasting, and I am comfortable with that.
The less secure among us continue to patronise and smirk, because it makes them feel better.
I am perfectly comfortable contributing to a debate based on my perceptions, rather than my knowledge, and I have no problem admitting my absence of knowledge.
Others however are the opposite, they simply never tire of rolling their eyes at the perceived ignorance of anyone who knows less than they claim to know, which is basically everyone else.
The difference is, I don't claim to know the answers, with no justification beyond my own boasting, and I am comfortable with that.
The less secure among us continue to patronise and smirk, because it makes them feel better.
// But anti-Catholic fever just didn't appear in England. Nor anti-Irish for that matter. //
thank yo for this parallel Canary
very unpopular but cogent IMO
as a cartlick I frequently had to refute that I supported the IRA - and anti Irish feeling was acute in Brum after the bombs in the Mulberry and elsewhere
I think the answer may be related to English Roman Catholics are much better assimilated into society than brown skinned muslims
IRA and jihadi bombs are a very very unpopular and unacceptable parallel for some reason
thank yo for this parallel Canary
very unpopular but cogent IMO
as a cartlick I frequently had to refute that I supported the IRA - and anti Irish feeling was acute in Brum after the bombs in the Mulberry and elsewhere
I think the answer may be related to English Roman Catholics are much better assimilated into society than brown skinned muslims
IRA and jihadi bombs are a very very unpopular and unacceptable parallel for some reason
// 10ClarionSt - // How many suicide bombers have there been from other religions? //
bloop bloop ! deeble deeble! ( noise of computer computing)
a few hundred thousand - end of War 1945 - Japan
Human wave tactics Korea
Viet cong in Vietnam war
Is that enough or are they different ?
{andie I dont go for this 'I dont know' bit when I contribute...]
bloop bloop ! deeble deeble! ( noise of computer computing)
a few hundred thousand - end of War 1945 - Japan
Human wave tactics Korea
Viet cong in Vietnam war
Is that enough or are they different ?
{andie I dont go for this 'I dont know' bit when I contribute...]
