The Times They Are A Changing.

[SparklyKid]

Am I wrong when watching soaps to squirm and shut my eyes when two gay men have a passionate embrace.

Todays soaps seem full of it. Call me intolerant or whatever, I do not want to watch those scenes.

[pixie374]

There is a need.... as you brought up "equality". And if you are ever going to use that one again, it would help to show how it is not already "equal".
Single- sex spaces, are just that, for a reason. Nobody cares what gender anyone is, as that actually doesn't mean a threat, but sex differences too.
I am not "self-entitled" to prefer to get undressdled away from strange men. You wouldn't understand, but it is not unusual for women to feel more comfortable away from them.
Why should I feel uncomfortable or anxious, because of someone else's sense of self- entitlement (which they are not actually entitled to...)
And what is wrong with them just using their own places, anyway?

[pixie374]

You have moved from transgender, to transsexual in law, btw.

[spathiphyllum]

"as that actually doesn't mean a threat"

And there is it.

You can't discuss trans issues with people who are constantly victimising themselfs and their gender.

If someone is a threat it's because they're a sexual assulter it has nout to do with if they're trans, and that fear, from yourself, is what makes you appear transphobic.

There is nothing wrong with them using their own places but, although you feel everyone is equal.. there isn't actually specific changingrooms for trans people, and the fact you think trans men and trans women would be nmore than happy to share a changing room (or you feel they should be) is again, not very equal, is it?

[spathiphyllum]

"You have moved from transgender, to transsexual in law, btw. "

They should have equal / the same rights so i'm unsure why that matters at all.

[pixie374]

It is... men have men's rooms and women have women's. That includes everyone and couldn't be more equal.
You seem to be hoping I believe that every transperson is a pervert, and sadly, I don't. There is no difference (statistically) between a male or a "transwoman". So I am no more or less happy in sharing with a "transwoman" than I am with any other man.

[pixie374]

Do some research then! And stop listening to trans activist extremists on Twitter....

[spathiphyllum]

So what you're doing is denying a dysphoria between the phyiscal and the mind, and instead saying.. "tough, you have a penis, go to the mens".

What's the point in discussing with you, if your opinions, are literally so black and white.

[spathiphyllum]

"Do some research then! And stop listening to trans activist extremists on Twitter.... "

Moot comment. I've done research, i dont read or follow and kind of trans rights on twitter.

[pixie374]

Actually... sex is binary, yes. You are either male or female- and nothing anyone can do will change that.
You know this- you are not daft.
People can present however they like, but lying... is never ever a move forwards, for anybody.

[pixie374]

I can see you do, spath. Your views are insulting to women, who actually are- and assuming that women think all men are rapists.
You are also far more concerned with getting "extra rights" for men who believe they are different, but with total callousness to actual women. Who should "stay at home" if they don't feel comfortable.
You change your mind constantly on this too.... with friends like you....

[jackthehat]

I'm not sure there is a *need* for 90% of the passionate clinches we see on the TV but seeing as they aren't going away any time soon, I think it is only fair that they are spread evenly across the available permutations of relationships.

[Barsel]

SparklyKid, The Times They Are A Changing. They certainly are and they are changing quicker than I can keep up with. I'm just glad I am nearer to the end of my life than the beginning because I don't like the changes, I don't understand the changes and I will put my foot firmly on the ground if anyone refers to me as something I don't believe I am. I even complain if someone refers to me as Ms!

[woofgang]

Barsel that is all anybody is asking for...to be named/addressed/referred to in the way that they wish....actually I think I have said this to you before.....surely you don't grudge others what you want for yourself?

[woofgang]

good answer JTH!

[spathiphyllum]

“You are also far more concerned with getting "extra rights" for men “

Don’t be silly, you know i’m talking about trans men and women, but it’s only the trans women who you wish to debate, and you’d be happy sharing a changing room with a trans man.

[pixie374]

Yes. I am happy to share with any woman, no matter what they are wearing or what their sexuality might be. Women are far less prone to violence than men. (Look it up).

[pixie374]

How about you, spath? Are you, and other men, happy to share with 'transwomen'? Why are they so reluctant to share with you?

[hereIam]

Good answer Barsel. BTW though, I don't mind being called Ms. !

[pixie374]

How do you suggest we can tell, woof... how people prefer to think of themselves?
Do we ask every stranger we ever meet, or do we go with stereotypes and presumptions and insult the entire population, of any persuasion?

[Mamyalynne]

I have asked two organisations to change the title on my records from Ms. to Mrs - I simply think the former has a harsh sound that's mainly it, plus I am/was a married woman.

They did so with no problem.