Have You Ever Thought

[Stargazer]

how cows milk is made available fresh every day in billions of litres? It has to come from a lactating calfs mother who after giving birth, has her baby snatched away from her in order that the milk intended for her calf can be extracted mechanically for humans use. I cannot imagine the cries she makes when this takes place and can still her calf crying for its mother.

[bhg481]

Just about everything you eat was living at one time - vegetables are cut down whilst in the prime of life; just because they're not fluffy and cuddly doesn't make it kinder.

[douglas9401]

I have no thoughts on the matter.

[Atheist]

bhg; vegetables don't have nervous systems or brains. They don't think or feel physical or mental pain. I eat recently killed beings, but I prefer not to do it at the expense of causing suffering to sentient beings. If I needed to kill and eat sentient beings, then I would do that, but it is not necessary, so I choose not to do it.

[Deskdiary]

“I don’t preach…” and then you go on to preach.

I’ve thought about it - and it won’t stop me.

[Atheist]

Desk, I'm not preaching, I'm simply explaining why I don't eat animals.

[burlyshirley]

Oh God the same old stupid argument about eating vegetables perpetrated, as usual, by people with no common sense !!

And as for comparing baby calves to puppies and kittens, there is NO comparison. Puppies and kittens, if done correctly, are taken away from their Mums at 8 weeks of age when they are ready to leave and the Mum is generally happy for them to leave, to go to, hopefully, good homes. How is that the same as taking a NEWLY BORN beautiful calf away from its Mum who has just gone through the pain of birth for her never to see it again and to God only knows what for the poor innocent baby ??

We have the power and the knowledge to treat animals so much better, but do we ?? Do we hell !!!

[237SJ]

We used to drink unpasturised milk in our village when I was a child. To be honest, I`m surpised the cows were even able to produce offspring seeing how decrepit they were. They had a nice life though trundling through the village every day from their field to the shippon to be milked and back again. It's all well and good thinking about eating meat and drinking milk and caring about the welfare of the animals but if you are going to be all honourable about that, you need to think about vivisection. How many drugs/treatment have you had that have been tested on animals?

[nailit]

If Vegans didnt keep on eating animals vegetation then
I wouldnt have to eat the animal.

[Atheist]

237; I'm not sure what your point is. I'm sure I benefit from lots of things which have involved animal exploitation. I still choose to avoid those things which I can avoid if it minimises such exploitation.

[Atheist]

Nailit. I don't think that Vegans eat grass or raw mangel wurzels! :-)

[237SJ]

I would have thought my point was fairly obvious

[Atheist]

And, Nailit, if you ate the vegetation then you wouldn't need to eat the animals. Bulls and elephants and all sorts of big butch animals don't eat meat.

[Atheist]

237, you said I was trying to be honorable but I'm not. I'm just trying to minimise the suffering I cause to other creatures (creatures? So, you believe in a creator, Atheist!)

[nailit]

Maybe not a popular opinion but
I happen to admire vegans..

If you can afford all your suppliments etc
then good luck to you!

Personaly ive tried!
Its an expensive lifestyle
(And meat taste good too, espesially when roasted)

Come to the conclussion the we are meat eaters
By nature.

[Atheist]

Stargazer; a very good post. You might get as much of a response as the old religious posts used to get. I have mentioned my veg tendencies once or twice, but I don't post like that any more, as it seems to provoke ill-will. So far your post has mainly produced sensible discussion for the most part (apart from those who don't see any issue here).

[Atheist]

Nailit. We are omnivores by nature. We are potential rapists by nature. We choose what we think is the right thing.

[nailit]

If there was a Ukraine/Russia show off...
And I (in the event of war)
had a hot pot with lamb in it...
And you had a carrot..
Which would be prepared to wrestle over?

[237SJ]

I wasn't actually referring to you Athiest. Farming is hard and it's cruel. One of my early memories is seeing chickens that had their throat cut and they were being hung up by their ankles from a washing line. It was a friend's house and I questioned why the chickens were still flapping around. I was told it was their nerves (it wasn't) My family were farmers for 400 years and they looked after their animals. My Grandfather's Devon Reds were really well looked after but at the end of the day they are going to be killed. That's life unfortunately. I saw the process and knew how it worked but I also knew how the animals had a good life. Unlike vivisection where the animals don't, and people don't see it so they blank it from their mind as if it doesn't happen.

[nailit]

//We are potential rapists by nature//
Speak for yourself....

[Peter Pedant]

Ever witnessed how a Lion will eat a lickle baby Gazelle alive?
or how the Russians are treating the Ukrainians