Is It Fair That Those Who Pay No Council Tax For Whatever Reason Should Get A Vote In Tomorrow's Local Election?

[dave50]

If they don't contribute then they shouldn't have a say where council tax money is spent.

[dave50]

Yes, the community charge was a much fairer system, every person contributed something. How can that not be a fairer system,? Of course, as someone said, the great unwashed didn't like being asked to pay their way so they rioted.

[pastafreak]

Are those who are on pension credit and have a low income "The great unwashed" ?

[pixie374]

Everyone "local" should have a say in a local election- or, who will give a voice to homeless or poorer people?

[CrapAtCryptics]

Why not include people who are in arrears on their rent / council tax / or failing to actively seek employment.

[barry1010]

Perhaps we should go back to the days when only landowners could vote? Would that suit you, dave?

[pastafreak]

Ah...but even property owners might not pay council tax.

I get pension credit...it's people like dave50 who can make me feel I should be ashamed of that fact.

[pixie374]

Don't be, pasta. People can only embarrass themselves.

[david small]

Community charge wasn’t fair. My wife did not have paid employment but worked very hard looking after our four children.
I had to pay my community charge, plus hers. That devastated our income. Remember the days of the housewives?

[thisinspiringlif]

Everyone should have the opportunity to vote

[Peter Pedant]

//Who doesn’t pay council tax?//
er every single person in your household except you ( who does the cheque)
who is it who says - do keep up and think before you write?

"If they don't contribute then they shouldn't have a say where council tax money is spent."

the fallacy in this argument: or - non sequitur ter daah! is
councils and council meetings arent all about money and spending other peoples

( and council would be far better run if they did - I added that bit)

[Peter Pedant]

// Yes, the community charge was a much fairer system, every person contributed something.//

even the dossers who had no moolah
= even the lower paid population were scraping by to start with

look can we accept that if you tax income
it taxes the richer ( but not very rich)
and if you tax consumption ( VAT etc Poll tax) then you hit the poorest and least able to pay - because there are more of them

[Bazile]

//My brother claims Pension Credit and doesn’t pay any council tax. He’s also received £150 council tax rebate, even though he doesn’t pay any.//

How can that be right - getting a rebate on something you don't pay ?

[Ken4155]

I attended Poll Tax Demos (not riots), back in the day. So, if that makes me one of the 'great unwashed', i'll wear that badge proudly. Some of you say it was fair? From paying around £250 per year, i was suddenly expected to find just shy of £600 per year. Fair? My arris!

[Ken4155]

Bazile, the 'rebate' is intended to help meet the increase in fuel bills. Basically it has nothing to do with Council Tax.

[Peter Pedant]

no - yes Ken is right
huge tax imposition on the jobless, nursing mothers, drunks, dipsos
who had better things to spend their money on

It led to the demise of Thatcher - all you Maggie lovers who want the Poill tax back. Engineered by port-aloo

[ToraToraTora]

ken155: "I attended Community Charge Demos (not riots), back in the day. So, if that makes me one of the 'great unwashed', i'll wear that badge proudly. Some of you say it was fair? From paying around £250 per year, i was suddenly expected to find just shy of £600 per year. Fair? My arris! " - me me me! Do you only care about yourself? It was fair (well fairer than now) because each person paid the same regardless of the size of their house. It was also fair because not only home owners paid it. It some cases it meant paying more, for example it was double what I was paying in rates but I understood the inherent flaw in the rates and now the "Council Tax". Personally I'd abolish the whole lot, councils and their funding and do it all from central funds but that's another subject.

[Ken4155]

^
"Do you only care about yourself?"

Yep, me and mine.

[ToraToraTora]

good to know what sort you are ken.

[ladybirder]

I could argue DS, that a person living on their own in a house near you would be paying the same as you with six people living in yours.

[pastafreak]

Those who complain it's not fair seem to disregard the fact that though some may be exempt from paying council tax *now*...they did pay for many years previously. Do they suddenly become non citizens...invisible and not deserving of the opportunity to vote, or council services?