When Does An 'Ordinary' Muslim Become An Extremist?

[naomi24]

We're often told that there is a difference between 'ordinary' Muslims and extremists, so ignoring those who call for violence and Islamic domination as they march in support of Palestine, but thinking only of the Muslim school children and their parents and supporters who are making news by intimidating students into adopting the hijab, to observe Islamic fasting rituals, and to withdraw from some school activities because they are considered 'haram';   the student who is battling her school in court (at the taxpayers' expense) for the 'right' to pray during school hours, the protestors outside schools, causing one to close early in order to protect staff and pupils, and those who are threatening teachers to the extent that they fear travelling on public transport, one of whom is still, after a very long time, in hiding.   The people who are responsible for all of this carry on their regular everyday lives living among us.  Are they 'ordinary' Muslims - or are they extremists? 

[Countrylover]

And don't try to push me into a corner.  It doesn't work. 

[naomi24]

Lottie, I haven't twisted anything.  I've studied Islam - that's all.  Furthermore, I brought this thread to the editor's attention days ago so you may rest assured your concern for broken rules is unfounded.

Bye bye.

 

 

[naomi24]

Oops!  Cross-posted.  I thought you'd gone, lottie.  Who are you talking to?  I can't see anyone pushing you anywhere.

[Countrylover]

You do push people into corners Naomi.  

[Countrylover]

Mind you, you have just proved there are editors around!

[fripfrip]

No she doesn't,people paint themselves into a corner.

[Atheist]

fripfrip; I'd be interested to hear an expansion of your view about painting into a corner. What did you mean?

[Atheist]

Naomi. Your use of ' around ordinary and lack of ' around extremist interests me.

There seems to be a distinction between ordinary and extremist, as though 'ordinary' is a bit dodgy and extremist is taken for granted as an acceptable term.

Am I over-interpreting your words?

[fripfrip]

Atheist,it's a idiom as well you know,like how you think Rory Stewart is intelligent and hard working well you've painted yourself into a corner,because you can not deny your admiration for him,even though most people think he's a little twerp,but keep buying his books i'm sure he's very appreciative,have a nice evening.

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - // 

a-h: //Oh, and remember why Peter Sutcliffe murdered women? Your god told him to.//

No, you do not understand, (what's new?). No God of any description from any religion told him to kill anyone, he was simply psychotic - nuts. //

Again, I can do without your patronising, as you yet again interperet what you want to get the conclusion you need.

You can say that 'no god of any religion told him to kill anyone ... ' when clearly, at the time Mr Sutcliffe would have vigourously argued with you, and he would do so because stating that he was 'told by God to kill' was the cornerstone of his entire defence.

You, as a fervent, will patronise and wriggle around that simple point, because you don't want to concede that your god was used as an excuse for the deaths of innocent women.

Yes, Mr Sutlciffe was a psychotic maniac - 'nuts' is an offensive word, but typical of your sneering attitude, but that does not alter the fact that he cited your god as his influence to behave as he did.

// Whereas the Allah in the Koran actually tells Muslims to slay infidels, Jews in particular. //

Are you seriously trying to peddle that as the main reason why Islamists are equally psychotic? Just because it is 'written down, it has more effect?

You ignore what doesn't suit you - that far more Islamists are created by radicalisation, a term you may recognise - and that's done by conversation, person to person.

Psychotics are far more likely to be driven to act by the shoutings of equally psychotic Imams at Friday prayers, or by the 'radicalisation' - a recognised term, from others, both of which are done by word of mouth.

Psychosis doesn't come from reading a book, it comes from interpretation, a point I keep hammering, and it continues to suit you to ignore.

And talking of your 'god' - since you believe his in charge of everything, including get Moslems to worship him as you do - why does your god allow such atrocities as enacted by fanatics - when he could control them and stop it any time he wanted.

I can see where you get your over-selective nature from - your god behaves in exactly the same way.

[Khandro]

Breaking News (very apt!):

An 'ordinary' Muslim man who was becoming a Christian (but hadn't yet been baptised) was in a Christian church in Istanbul attending mass this morning when a couple of 'extremist' Muslim men entered and shot him dead.

See - he was an apostate, very naughty.

'Islam: the religion of peace.'

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - Nice deflection, any danger of addressing my question?

You can always start with your your god allowed a potential convert to die horribly.

[bluefortress]

The reality is there is no line, only different opinions

[Khandro]

andy; I never read your long posts - does anyone ?

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - Then let me give you a short one.

Your 'loving god' allows every single Islamist to murder innocent Christians. 

Care to explain?

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - the cyber equivalent of putting your hands over your ears and going lalala is hardly the action of a grownup.

[naomi24]

Andy Hughes, but that's^ exactly what you're doing.  Islam doesn't care what you think, it's not interested in your amateur psychology, your politics, or your theories.  Islam actually means 'submission' and that, from its adherents,  is precisely what it demands and precisely what it gets.

 

Atheist, I don't know what you're doing.  I don't know what you're talking about.

[andy-hughes]

Naomi - You get very vexed when you think someone on here is speaking for you.

But you are comfortable speaking for an entire faith system. 

A little consistency might help your argument.

[1ozzy]

//When Does An 'Ordinary' Muslim Become An Extremist?//

Is it a prerequisite?

Or maybe there's a time limit?

[Khandro]

a.h.,  'Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one must be silent.'

Ludwig Wittgenstein.   😃