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The family of Adam and Eve
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The theory of the evolution of man is the product of science at its most ridiculous. Adam and Eve were two adult human beings created by God just after he created the universe. They were the first and only people on the planet, and they were the forebears of the whole human race.
So how do creationists account for the diverse physical appearances of the assortment of peoples inhabiting the earth today? It stands to reason that most of them do not bear a family resemblance.
So how do creationists account for the diverse physical appearances of the assortment of peoples inhabiting the earth today? It stands to reason that most of them do not bear a family resemblance.
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For jno and anyone else unaware that creationists deny evolution. It's an interview between Richard Dawkins and Wendy Wright, president of Concerned Women for America. Rather lengthy, but if you're interested, worth watching.
(jno - it is the dreaded YouTube, but I can't think of another way of posting it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjoEgYOgRo
I don't have any thoughts on the other point you made at the moment, jno.
(jno - it is the dreaded YouTube, but I can't think of another way of posting it).
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YFjoEgYOgRo
I don't have any thoughts on the other point you made at the moment, jno.
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jno //We're still talking about most of humanity evolving from a very few individuals. //
While it is true that the genes in the modern human population ultimately did come from relatively few individuals it does not mean that we started out with a very small number and everyone descended directly from them like Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel etc.
Selection promoted particular genes and many of the other genes simply died out along the way.
There were at least three main groups of relatively modern humans that came out of Africa. Neanderthal, Denisovan and Cro Magnon. At least two separate major groups of the Cro Magnons left Africa separated by tens of thousands of years.
All are believed to have to contributed to genes of the modern populations in various parts of the world.
While it is true that the genes in the modern human population ultimately did come from relatively few individuals it does not mean that we started out with a very small number and everyone descended directly from them like Adam and Eve, Cain and Abel etc.
Selection promoted particular genes and many of the other genes simply died out along the way.
There were at least three main groups of relatively modern humans that came out of Africa. Neanderthal, Denisovan and Cro Magnon. At least two separate major groups of the Cro Magnons left Africa separated by tens of thousands of years.
All are believed to have to contributed to genes of the modern populations in various parts of the world.
well, as I said, pa__ul, I don't think the 6000-year-old theory is widely accepted these days. Yes, I know creationists deny evolution; but I don't think they're particularly widespread, except perhaps in some parts of the southern USA and Africa, and not influential. (They may run for the US presidency; I don't believe they'll ever win it.)
Looking into it a bit more (and may God forgive me for linking to the Mail), it seems there may also have been later migrations out of Africa, which might have refreshed the gene pool
http://www.dailymail....bounding-rapidly.html
but even that story suggests that at one stage humanity outside Africa was reduced to only 1200 people - again, quite a small number.
Then again, apparently 1000 years ago there was just one breeding pair of cheetahs in the world, but they're still hanging on. I think the suggestion is that a very small gene pool doesn't necessarily make you all mentally deficient from inbreeding, but it does make you susceptible to mass infection: one illness could wipe out all cheetahs.
Looking into it a bit more (and may God forgive me for linking to the Mail), it seems there may also have been later migrations out of Africa, which might have refreshed the gene pool
http://www.dailymail....bounding-rapidly.html
but even that story suggests that at one stage humanity outside Africa was reduced to only 1200 people - again, quite a small number.
Then again, apparently 1000 years ago there was just one breeding pair of cheetahs in the world, but they're still hanging on. I think the suggestion is that a very small gene pool doesn't necessarily make you all mentally deficient from inbreeding, but it does make you susceptible to mass infection: one illness could wipe out all cheetahs.
sorry, beso, you weren't there when I started writing... thanks for the clarification. But while I'm happy to accept that humanity didn't begin with two purpose-built individuals, I believe we're still talking about very small numbers.
The point of this thread was, I think, to say that creationism can't account for the diversity of modern humanity. I think diversity is equally explained by the passage of time whether you're religious or not. Whatever the arguments against creationism, I don't think this is one of them.
(That's on the basis that the 6000-year timeframe isn't biblical and isn't anything to do with creationism.)
The point of this thread was, I think, to say that creationism can't account for the diversity of modern humanity. I think diversity is equally explained by the passage of time whether you're religious or not. Whatever the arguments against creationism, I don't think this is one of them.
(That's on the basis that the 6000-year timeframe isn't biblical and isn't anything to do with creationism.)
"So how do creationists account for the diverse physical appearances of the assortment of peoples inhabiting the earth today?"
have any creationsists actually answered ? are there any on here ?
seems a bit pointless if all this is a 'tee hee they were bonking their mums and brothers' thread. the egyptians pretty much made that permissable. it was all the rage in the olden days.
of course creationists will deny evolution.
but so what, it don't affect me and i don't listen to them.
have any creationsists actually answered ? are there any on here ?
seems a bit pointless if all this is a 'tee hee they were bonking their mums and brothers' thread. the egyptians pretty much made that permissable. it was all the rage in the olden days.
of course creationists will deny evolution.
but so what, it don't affect me and i don't listen to them.
The 6000 year timeline is irrelevant because not all creationists believe in Young Earth Creationism. Similarly, the process of human evolution is irrelevant because creationists don't believe in that at all. We seem to have a lot of people around who believe that we all sprang from Adam and Eve, but for some reason, none here to answer this question. Any offers?
I am Asian and my wife is white English. Our children do not resemble 100% to either of us. Does that mean they are not our children? So that is just for one generation. What about since the humanity began and slowly people moved to the different corners of the earth. Their skin, body tone and many things got influenced by different climates. Scientists may call that evolution but I would call that adaptability God has given to living creatures. So what is so difficult about that?
I have not read all of the post so,
Philtaz - ////As an atheist I too often wonder why no religious person has ever explained or answered the question: If Adam and Eve had two sons then surely some form of incest had to take place for the human race to progress and evolve?///
I am not sure before but I will answer your this question. Now whether you would agree with that or not is a different thing.
Adam was created by God and then Eve appeared (given birth or emerged or whatever words you may like) from rib (or body) of Adam. Cain and Abel (Islam we call then Habeel and Kabeel) were given birth during two different pregnancies along with one girl each (Twins). So initially there was incest (as you may call it today) but even then they did not marry each other but cross to two pregnancies. In other words Both brother and sister born in the first pregnancy married the others two married in second pregnancy. So that was due to the limitations they had at that time. I believe soon after that it was forbidden. I am not sure about Bible but in Quran a list of people have been given very clearly and precisely to whom you can’t marry.
Ratter – Incest sex still happens and unfortunately it happens in so called civilised countries. But not wilfully and under the influence of alcohol.
Philtaz - ////As an atheist I too often wonder why no religious person has ever explained or answered the question: If Adam and Eve had two sons then surely some form of incest had to take place for the human race to progress and evolve?///
I am not sure before but I will answer your this question. Now whether you would agree with that or not is a different thing.
Adam was created by God and then Eve appeared (given birth or emerged or whatever words you may like) from rib (or body) of Adam. Cain and Abel (Islam we call then Habeel and Kabeel) were given birth during two different pregnancies along with one girl each (Twins). So initially there was incest (as you may call it today) but even then they did not marry each other but cross to two pregnancies. In other words Both brother and sister born in the first pregnancy married the others two married in second pregnancy. So that was due to the limitations they had at that time. I believe soon after that it was forbidden. I am not sure about Bible but in Quran a list of people have been given very clearly and precisely to whom you can’t marry.
Ratter – Incest sex still happens and unfortunately it happens in so called civilised countries. But not wilfully and under the influence of alcohol.
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