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THE new atheists envision a world with no religion—no suicide bombers, no religious wars, and no televangelists fleecing their flocks. Does that vision appeal to you?
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Actually, I have met people who like the world as it is.
I have even spoken with soldiers who don't want peace because they would be out of a job. There are those who love to have a rifle in their hands because it gives them power.
So no, not every rational person wants to see a world without war, crime, etc. etc. They don't even consider their own children or loved ones might want a better world to live in.
Actually, I have met people who like the world as it is.
I have even spoken with soldiers who don't want peace because they would be out of a job. There are those who love to have a rifle in their hands because it gives them power.
So no, not every rational person wants to see a world without war, crime, etc. etc. They don't even consider their own children or loved ones might want a better world to live in.
Andy-hughes, "i don't adopt the moral high ground with my stance."
I may be guilty of that, I do consider myself to have far better morals than many Christians and Muslims, I feel I am a better person than many Christians and Muslims, simply because I dont associate myself with these supposed Gods or the murder, killing and crucifying carried out in the name of these Gods.
I can hold my head up and honestly say that I have revered any God or person that has carried out mass murder, genocide, I never lied to my children and tried to convince them of any God or sent them to Sunday school so anybody else could convince them with such lies. etc.etc.etc.
Im sorry but in my books that makes me a far better person!!
I may be guilty of that, I do consider myself to have far better morals than many Christians and Muslims, I feel I am a better person than many Christians and Muslims, simply because I dont associate myself with these supposed Gods or the murder, killing and crucifying carried out in the name of these Gods.
I can hold my head up and honestly say that I have revered any God or person that has carried out mass murder, genocide, I never lied to my children and tried to convince them of any God or sent them to Sunday school so anybody else could convince them with such lies. etc.etc.etc.
Im sorry but in my books that makes me a far better person!!
@Truthabounds - There is no magical "Truth" with a capital T in the bible - no coded messages, no complex pointers. Its a book of folk story and myth, and you and yours are living in a fantasy world.
The type of world promoted by atheists - a world free of the stultifying effects of religion, the hatred, delusion and false morality promoted by little books of tall tales - is a world that would be an ineffably better place, and such a vision is infinitely superior to yours, one of evil done in the name of god, one of a kind of faux humbleness to an invisible, supernatural entity - Intolerance and bigotry runs through religion and taints everyone who comes into contact with it.
Your whole being is twisted by deference to a bronze age book - you cannot create a text without quoting from it, as if using such texts clothes your facile arguments in a cloak of authority.
The type of world promoted by atheists - a world free of the stultifying effects of religion, the hatred, delusion and false morality promoted by little books of tall tales - is a world that would be an ineffably better place, and such a vision is infinitely superior to yours, one of evil done in the name of god, one of a kind of faux humbleness to an invisible, supernatural entity - Intolerance and bigotry runs through religion and taints everyone who comes into contact with it.
Your whole being is twisted by deference to a bronze age book - you cannot create a text without quoting from it, as if using such texts clothes your facile arguments in a cloak of authority.
Strikes me Truth, that you not only mix with religious nutters but also some militiary ones that, if what you say is tru, they should be removed from the Forces for their own good. You could also consider giving up meeting with both groups too, for all our benefit, well at least ABers and the people around you that you attempt to brainwash.
Worse than a Jehovah's Witness IMHO........
Worse than a Jehovah's Witness IMHO........
@ Truthabounds - I think this comment of yours just about sums up the gulf there is between you and decent, normal people.
"Actually, I have met people who like the world as it is.
I have even spoken with soldiers who don't want peace because they would be out of a job. There are those who love to have a rifle in their hands because it gives them power.
So no, not every rational person wants to see a world without war, crime, etc. etc. They don't even consider their own children or loved ones might want a better world to live in. "
That you would consider anyone who doesnt want a world without war, crime etc as rational, that those who get a sense of power from holding a gun as rational speaks volumes about your distorted view of humanity. I find your attitudes disgusting......
"Actually, I have met people who like the world as it is.
I have even spoken with soldiers who don't want peace because they would be out of a job. There are those who love to have a rifle in their hands because it gives them power.
So no, not every rational person wants to see a world without war, crime, etc. etc. They don't even consider their own children or loved ones might want a better world to live in. "
That you would consider anyone who doesnt want a world without war, crime etc as rational, that those who get a sense of power from holding a gun as rational speaks volumes about your distorted view of humanity. I find your attitudes disgusting......
I'm an old atheist not a new one, and there will never be a world without wars because people are warlike, but certainly they would not be able to use religion as an excuse to hack their neighbours to pieces and rape and pillage to their hearts content. The lovely vision above is very appealing, but will never happen.
those born with terrible disabilities or in abject poverty will never have the same opportunities in this world... Children for whom education is as much a fantasy as playing for Manchester united...or being a movie star...
Those who can't even sit unaided...let alone feed and toilet themselves...they have so few opportunities..
Those who can't even sit unaided...let alone feed and toilet themselves...they have so few opportunities..
// Who are New Atheists?
A group of authors and speakers, who came to prominence after the year 2000,//
I think you'll find that those to whom you and the magazine that coined the description refer would disagree that they are 'New Atheists'. Because you feel the need to belong to a 'club', don't assume that everyone else does.
//Satan is a God. He is referred to as the God of this System or The Ruler of the World. He is the one to blame for all the bloodshed, poverty, feminine etc on this earth.//
Rubbish! If we are to believe what you believe, then your God is responsible for Satan's existence, so why hasn't the Almighty, who can (reputedly) do anything he chooses, destroyed him long before now to put an end to suffering?
//not every rational person wants to see a world without war, crime,//
Rational? Are you quite sure you understand the meaning of the word?
Incidentally, Adam and Eve weren't the first human pair. You claim with pride that you are the only one among us that really understands the bible, but clearly you don't.
A group of authors and speakers, who came to prominence after the year 2000,//
I think you'll find that those to whom you and the magazine that coined the description refer would disagree that they are 'New Atheists'. Because you feel the need to belong to a 'club', don't assume that everyone else does.
//Satan is a God. He is referred to as the God of this System or The Ruler of the World. He is the one to blame for all the bloodshed, poverty, feminine etc on this earth.//
Rubbish! If we are to believe what you believe, then your God is responsible for Satan's existence, so why hasn't the Almighty, who can (reputedly) do anything he chooses, destroyed him long before now to put an end to suffering?
//not every rational person wants to see a world without war, crime,//
Rational? Are you quite sure you understand the meaning of the word?
Incidentally, Adam and Eve weren't the first human pair. You claim with pride that you are the only one among us that really understands the bible, but clearly you don't.
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