The Perils Of Privatisation - Part X
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Have You Really Come to Know God?
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Many persons know about God. They may live in communities where most citizens claim to believe that he exists. But does this mean that they really know God? Well, there is a difference in knowing about the ruler of the country where one lives and in having a personal acquaintance with him. So, too, with knowing God.
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True,But when a couple gets married, the bride makes a vow, promising that she will deeply respect her husband. However, the way that many husbands treat their wives has a bearing on whether that vow is difficult to live up to or not. Yet, marriage had a wonderful beginning. God took a rib from Adam, the first man, and made the woman. Adam exclaimed: “This is at last bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh.”—Genesis 2:19-23.
Despite that fine beginning, a movement called women’s liberation—an attempt by women to break free from male domination—began in the early 1960’s. At that time, some 300 husbands abandoned their families to every 1 wife who did. By the end of the 1960’s, the ratio changed to about 100 to 1. Now, it seems, women swear, drink, smoke, and behave immorally as much as men do. So are women happier? No. In some countries, about half of the people who marry eventually divorce. Has the effort by some women to improve their marital situation made matters better or worse.
Despite that fine beginning, a movement called women’s liberation—an attempt by women to break free from male domination—began in the early 1960’s. At that time, some 300 husbands abandoned their families to every 1 wife who did. By the end of the 1960’s, the ratio changed to about 100 to 1. Now, it seems, women swear, drink, smoke, and behave immorally as much as men do. So are women happier? No. In some countries, about half of the people who marry eventually divorce. Has the effort by some women to improve their marital situation made matters better or worse.
The usual round of blah comes whistling in from our JW. He has no idea.....
Here is the real truth and discovered on Mt Arafat and kept in Salem all these centuries..
One day in the Garden of Eden, Eve calls out to God, "Lord, I have
a problem!"
"What's the problem, Eve?"
"Lord, I know you created me and provided this beautiful garden and
all of these wonderful animals and that hilarious comedic snake, but
I'm just not happy."
"Why is that, Eve?" came the reply from above.
"Lord, I am lonely, and I'm sick to death of apples.""Well, Eve, in that case, I have a solution. I shall create a man for you."
"What's a man, Lord?"
"This man will be a flawed creature, with many bad traits. He'll lie,
cheat, and be vain and glorious; all in all, he'll give you a hard time.
But...he'll be bigger, faster, and will like to hunt and kill things.
He will look silly when he's aroused, but since you've been complaining,
I'll create him in such a way that he will satisfy your physical needs.
He will be witless and will revel in childish things like fighting and
kicking a ball about. He won't be too smart, so he'll also need your
advice to think properly."
"Sounds great," says Eve, with an ironically raised eyebrow.
"What's the catch, Lord?"
"Well... you can have him on one condition."
"What's that, Lord?"
"As I said, he'll be proud, arrogant, and self-admiring... So you'll
have to let him believe that I made him first. Just remember, it's our
little secret...You know, woman to woman."
Here is the real truth and discovered on Mt Arafat and kept in Salem all these centuries..
One day in the Garden of Eden, Eve calls out to God, "Lord, I have
a problem!"
"What's the problem, Eve?"
"Lord, I know you created me and provided this beautiful garden and
all of these wonderful animals and that hilarious comedic snake, but
I'm just not happy."
"Why is that, Eve?" came the reply from above.
"Lord, I am lonely, and I'm sick to death of apples.""Well, Eve, in that case, I have a solution. I shall create a man for you."
"What's a man, Lord?"
"This man will be a flawed creature, with many bad traits. He'll lie,
cheat, and be vain and glorious; all in all, he'll give you a hard time.
But...he'll be bigger, faster, and will like to hunt and kill things.
He will look silly when he's aroused, but since you've been complaining,
I'll create him in such a way that he will satisfy your physical needs.
He will be witless and will revel in childish things like fighting and
kicking a ball about. He won't be too smart, so he'll also need your
advice to think properly."
"Sounds great," says Eve, with an ironically raised eyebrow.
"What's the catch, Lord?"
"Well... you can have him on one condition."
"What's that, Lord?"
"As I said, he'll be proud, arrogant, and self-admiring... So you'll
have to let him believe that I made him first. Just remember, it's our
little secret...You know, woman to woman."
Maybe if half of marriages are ending in divorce there is a problem with the expectations of marriage.
Elderman tells us that it was much better when women were subordinate because there were less divorces. Nothing to do of course with the fact that generations of women suffered in terrible marriages because they simply had no chioce in a society that offered them nothing as an alternative. No work, no financial support, not even a roof if she left the marriage.
Obviously from Eldermans perspective we have been moving in completely the wrong direction and really should adopt the moslem model of marriage where she has no rights at all and many consider she should be punished by death for failing to obey. Meanwhile the men can just get another wife if they lose interest and keep the original one as a slave.
Oh yes, religion is such a superior way of running of the world. The Christians would be doing the same had it not been for the relentless pursuit of the moral reforms brought about by secular society since their heyday when they could execute anyone who disagreed.
Elderman you are an arrogant, ignorant, misogynist anachronism who hasn't a clue about anything, least of all the subjects you claim to be a leader in understanding. All you do is quote passages from one of the most foul books ever written. Your heros are nothing but ignorant goat herders who arrogantly assumed their every thought was supreme.
Elderman tells us that it was much better when women were subordinate because there were less divorces. Nothing to do of course with the fact that generations of women suffered in terrible marriages because they simply had no chioce in a society that offered them nothing as an alternative. No work, no financial support, not even a roof if she left the marriage.
Obviously from Eldermans perspective we have been moving in completely the wrong direction and really should adopt the moslem model of marriage where she has no rights at all and many consider she should be punished by death for failing to obey. Meanwhile the men can just get another wife if they lose interest and keep the original one as a slave.
Oh yes, religion is such a superior way of running of the world. The Christians would be doing the same had it not been for the relentless pursuit of the moral reforms brought about by secular society since their heyday when they could execute anyone who disagreed.
Elderman you are an arrogant, ignorant, misogynist anachronism who hasn't a clue about anything, least of all the subjects you claim to be a leader in understanding. All you do is quote passages from one of the most foul books ever written. Your heros are nothing but ignorant goat herders who arrogantly assumed their every thought was supreme.
I'm afraid Elderman I don't want a woman who is subjugated before me, affords me respect even when I am wrong or otherwise allows herself to be treated like a doormat. Imagine if a woman lived with her husband just out of a sense of duty becuase of something written in your book. She would waste her life trying to be a 'good wife', unhappy, unfulfilled, not to mention raped every night ( because if she doesn't want to be there because she's unhappy then clearly she's not going to want any sort of intimacy but being a good submissive wife would doubtless acquiese to it)- my that sounds like a wonderful existance for anyone, I really can't inmagine why the divorce rate has gone up, your God really does have it sorted out doesn't he. Every woman wants to be a second class citizen.
//I really can't imagine why the divorce rate has gone up, your God really does have it sorted out doesn't he. Every woman wants to be a second class citizen//
Even if God existed, he or she would be weeping with not inconsiderable rage about this, the view of effertively a narrow minded misogynist or group of them. I don't think that this "teaching" is the common view of the mainstream churches.
Who wrote the Bible, Elderman....and don't say God. It was a group of men and women who, over the ages, added to the volumes. They extrapolated and convoluted stories to fit the facts as they were known back then and a pretty good job they made of that. However, some of what they wrote is now outdated (such as the role of women) or plain wrong. And of course, thinking and philosophy has evolved but then, you don't believe in Evolution though.
I too share NOx's sentiments about not wanting a doormat for a wife or woman in my life.
I still think that this view of yours is arrogant, disgusting and, domineeringly, pathetic.
Even if God existed, he or she would be weeping with not inconsiderable rage about this, the view of effertively a narrow minded misogynist or group of them. I don't think that this "teaching" is the common view of the mainstream churches.
Who wrote the Bible, Elderman....and don't say God. It was a group of men and women who, over the ages, added to the volumes. They extrapolated and convoluted stories to fit the facts as they were known back then and a pretty good job they made of that. However, some of what they wrote is now outdated (such as the role of women) or plain wrong. And of course, thinking and philosophy has evolved but then, you don't believe in Evolution though.
I too share NOx's sentiments about not wanting a doormat for a wife or woman in my life.
I still think that this view of yours is arrogant, disgusting and, domineeringly, pathetic.
DT .......... Knowing the purpose of life and being able to serve God, living a life that is pleasing to him, has given me real joy and satisfaction. But you even educated, sophisticated persons fall prey to a very unfair and untrue type of propaganda. This type assumes a superior air of dismissal of an opponent’s viewpoint, treating it as rather pathetic and really not worth attention. It is what many evolutionists resort to in order to evade questions that they cannot answer. They can’t prove their theory. So they resort to making assertions, and they scoff at all who dare to dispute them. And if any suggest that evolution conflicts with the Bible, these wise ones indulgently smile at the simple souls and indicate that they need this crutch, but that “intelligent persons know that God’s Word is only ancient myths.” They prove neither their assertions nor their smears, but by the tyranny of authority they pontificate their opinions, squelch objections and intimidate opposers. It works, and supposedly intelligent people who know nothing about the theory believe it because “all intelligent people believe it.
@Eldderman You continue to misrepresent the argument.
"This type assumes a superior air of dismissal of an opponent’s viewpoint, treating it as rather pathetic and really not worth attention. It is what many evolutionists resort to in order to evade questions that they cannot answer. They can’t prove their theory. So they resort to making assertions, and they scoff at all who dare to dispute them. And if any suggest that evolution conflicts with the Bible, these wise ones indulgently smile at the simple souls and indicate that they need this crutch, but that “intelligent persons know that God’s Word is only ancient myths.” They prove neither their assertions nor their smears, but by the tyranny of authority they pontificate their opinions, squelch objections and intimidate opposers. It works, and supposedly intelligent people who know nothing about the theory believe it because “all intelligent people believe it. "
1. You continue to assert that those who believe in evolution offer the "tyranny of authority". They do absolutely no such thing, rather,they challenge you to offer evidence of your assertions - something you fail to do. You evade the question and refuse to engage at every opportunity. Your self potrayal as a simple soul being bullied by the evil evolutionists will not wash.
2.None of you religious fundamentalists have ever offered a question about evolution that is not answerable by science. What you more often do is to offer a strawman, a false potrayal of what evolution says. The theory is open to correction, because that is what science does - offers a self- correcting mechanism - but the substantive points of Darwins theory on evolution remain unassailable over several centuries - indeed. the evidence becomes stronger.
3. In your world view, your starting point is that anything that contradicts the bible is wrong, and this puts you and the other zealots in the position of trying to defend the indefensible, lying for jesus by misrepresenting the science and cherry picking quotes and generally wallowing in antiscientific support, and it is this pathetic stance that irritates me most of all.
Grow up, and recognise the bible for what it is - a heavily edited, politicized collection of short stories with moral overtones and a creation narrative. It lacks intellectual rigor, lacks an empirical evidence base, is clearly chronologically challenged, and increasingly lacks relevance to modern society.
"This type assumes a superior air of dismissal of an opponent’s viewpoint, treating it as rather pathetic and really not worth attention. It is what many evolutionists resort to in order to evade questions that they cannot answer. They can’t prove their theory. So they resort to making assertions, and they scoff at all who dare to dispute them. And if any suggest that evolution conflicts with the Bible, these wise ones indulgently smile at the simple souls and indicate that they need this crutch, but that “intelligent persons know that God’s Word is only ancient myths.” They prove neither their assertions nor their smears, but by the tyranny of authority they pontificate their opinions, squelch objections and intimidate opposers. It works, and supposedly intelligent people who know nothing about the theory believe it because “all intelligent people believe it. "
1. You continue to assert that those who believe in evolution offer the "tyranny of authority". They do absolutely no such thing, rather,they challenge you to offer evidence of your assertions - something you fail to do. You evade the question and refuse to engage at every opportunity. Your self potrayal as a simple soul being bullied by the evil evolutionists will not wash.
2.None of you religious fundamentalists have ever offered a question about evolution that is not answerable by science. What you more often do is to offer a strawman, a false potrayal of what evolution says. The theory is open to correction, because that is what science does - offers a self- correcting mechanism - but the substantive points of Darwins theory on evolution remain unassailable over several centuries - indeed. the evidence becomes stronger.
3. In your world view, your starting point is that anything that contradicts the bible is wrong, and this puts you and the other zealots in the position of trying to defend the indefensible, lying for jesus by misrepresenting the science and cherry picking quotes and generally wallowing in antiscientific support, and it is this pathetic stance that irritates me most of all.
Grow up, and recognise the bible for what it is - a heavily edited, politicized collection of short stories with moral overtones and a creation narrative. It lacks intellectual rigor, lacks an empirical evidence base, is clearly chronologically challenged, and increasingly lacks relevance to modern society.
Naomi: <<Elderman, I am not a possession. I am not in 'subjection' to my husband - and my husband wouldn't like it if I were. >>
For what it is worth, subjection does not mean being a slave or a possession. In the Bible, women are held in great esteem, both God and Jesus place emphasis on the woman’s role. It is man himself that has relegated women to second place. Read Proverbs 31, the whole chapter is devoted to the woman and her attributes.
To be in subjection to one’s husband means to give him the respect he deserves as head of the family = Even Sara was in subjection to Abraham yet he was told by God to listen to her. A woman can have a lot of influence over man . Sorry to say in this modern society, woman have brought a lot of problems on themselves by their “I want independence” attitude. My grandmother and possibly a great many of her generation held sway in the family but they were still in subjection to their husbands.
For what it is worth, subjection does not mean being a slave or a possession. In the Bible, women are held in great esteem, both God and Jesus place emphasis on the woman’s role. It is man himself that has relegated women to second place. Read Proverbs 31, the whole chapter is devoted to the woman and her attributes.
To be in subjection to one’s husband means to give him the respect he deserves as head of the family = Even Sara was in subjection to Abraham yet he was told by God to listen to her. A woman can have a lot of influence over man . Sorry to say in this modern society, woman have brought a lot of problems on themselves by their “I want independence” attitude. My grandmother and possibly a great many of her generation held sway in the family but they were still in subjection to their husbands.
Does this sound like Elderman to you?
"This type assumes a superior air of dismissal of an opponent’s viewpoint, treating it as rather pathetic and really not worth attention.... [they] evade questions that they cannot answer. They can’t prove their theory. So they resort to making assertions, and they scoff at all who dare to dispute them. And if any suggest that evolution conflicts with the Bible, these wise ones indulgently smile at the simple souls ....."
He wrote it to describe evolutionists.
"This type assumes a superior air of dismissal of an opponent’s viewpoint, treating it as rather pathetic and really not worth attention.... [they] evade questions that they cannot answer. They can’t prove their theory. So they resort to making assertions, and they scoff at all who dare to dispute them. And if any suggest that evolution conflicts with the Bible, these wise ones indulgently smile at the simple souls ....."
He wrote it to describe evolutionists.
For ONCE, Elderman, stop cutting and pasting Jehovah's diatribes and think things through, then offer an original opinion and you may just get some more respect.
Folk - just google what he wrote: "This type assumes a superior air of dismissal of an opponent’s viewpoint, treating it as rather pathetic and really not worth attention." And LO the Jehovah came down and plastered all his Witnesses with more propaganda.
And for the record, the evidence to this is here: http://www.jwstruggle...ers-do-your-thinking/
Folk - just google what he wrote: "This type assumes a superior air of dismissal of an opponent’s viewpoint, treating it as rather pathetic and really not worth attention." And LO the Jehovah came down and plastered all his Witnesses with more propaganda.
And for the record, the evidence to this is here: http://www.jwstruggle...ers-do-your-thinking/
According to TruthAbounds "women have their role". It is because "God" said this is what they can do.
They couldn't possibly be the CEO of a huge company and make decisions as well as their male colleages, or run a country. Its obvious.... oh wait a minute.
Any rational analysis will reveal that woman should be entitled to exactly the same opportunity as men and the Biblical assignment is nothing more than ignorance and enshrined institutionalised prejudice.
Cultures who have continued to enforce religious limitation on women have significantly poorer economic performce than those who intelligently engaged their full range of human resources.
They couldn't possibly be the CEO of a huge company and make decisions as well as their male colleages, or run a country. Its obvious.... oh wait a minute.
Any rational analysis will reveal that woman should be entitled to exactly the same opportunity as men and the Biblical assignment is nothing more than ignorance and enshrined institutionalised prejudice.
Cultures who have continued to enforce religious limitation on women have significantly poorer economic performce than those who intelligently engaged their full range of human resources.
Could you admit now to cut and pasting this - and, for the record, if I was writing a learned article ans use someone else's quotation, I annotate it for the reference.
You are highly selective and, with that, attempting manipulation and deceit. It won't cut ice around here and I would even go as far to suggest that you are sinning against your very faith. Remember the commandment "Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour."
You are highly selective and, with that, attempting manipulation and deceit. It won't cut ice around here and I would even go as far to suggest that you are sinning against your very faith. Remember the commandment "Neither shalt thou bear false witness against thy neighbour."
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