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Which religion has the worst record for sexual discrimination?
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I don't defend polygamy (and claiming benefits for all of them is, after all, keeping them all in an equal status) but those who can often have a senior wife, far from discarding them, and the others should be equally cared for. That IS in Islamic writings (don't ask me to quote) but it says that all should be treated equally.
What everyone may not know is that this practice began in the 7th century, when so many men were killed in the battle of Badr and others, that Mohammed pbuh suggested that the remaining men should marry the widows, otherwise they had no means of supporting themselves and their children. Four, for some reason, was the suggested figure. Hardly the case now, there is no shortage of available men, so IMO there is no reason why the practice should still be recognised or condoned.
What everyone may not know is that this practice began in the 7th century, when so many men were killed in the battle of Badr and others, that Mohammed pbuh suggested that the remaining men should marry the widows, otherwise they had no means of supporting themselves and their children. Four, for some reason, was the suggested figure. Hardly the case now, there is no shortage of available men, so IMO there is no reason why the practice should still be recognised or condoned.
Sith, you haven't seen a straight answer from me? What's this then?
"Nevertheless, just to make it clear, I’ll say it again. Islam has the worst record for sexual discrimination. Of that there can be no doubt."
Do you actually read the posts, or do you simply not understand what you're reading?
And what you call a ‘bunch of quotes from someone else’ come directly from the Islamic website Keyplus posted outlining the reasons that Islam does not allow female judges. They are the rules according to Islam - so tell me which of those quotes aren’t sexist.
"Nevertheless, just to make it clear, I’ll say it again. Islam has the worst record for sexual discrimination. Of that there can be no doubt."
Do you actually read the posts, or do you simply not understand what you're reading?
And what you call a ‘bunch of quotes from someone else’ come directly from the Islamic website Keyplus posted outlining the reasons that Islam does not allow female judges. They are the rules according to Islam - so tell me which of those quotes aren’t sexist.
sith telss us that the problem is that people focus too much on the bad stuff about Islam and not enough on the good bits.
He is apparently forgetting that all of the supposed "wisdom" in the the books of his faith are from the top shelf and rejection of any of them must be considered arbitrary and hence unrightous.
The fat that any part of the books advises things that are obviously not waht we should be doing indicates one thing.
Mohammed, like all "prophets", was just nothing more than an arrogant, ignorant man who presumed that his bigotted attitudes were given to him from a special source.
Anyone who considers the musings in any of the holy books and anything other than ignorant bigotry is a fool.
He is apparently forgetting that all of the supposed "wisdom" in the the books of his faith are from the top shelf and rejection of any of them must be considered arbitrary and hence unrightous.
The fat that any part of the books advises things that are obviously not waht we should be doing indicates one thing.
Mohammed, like all "prophets", was just nothing more than an arrogant, ignorant man who presumed that his bigotted attitudes were given to him from a special source.
Anyone who considers the musings in any of the holy books and anything other than ignorant bigotry is a fool.
As Sith didn't get back to me on these verses from Sura 23 perhaps either of the other pro-polygamists could comment.
<<Polygamy
Polygamy is often a misunderstood concept in Islam. The Quran allows polygamy in the following verse:
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice>>
Keyplus/Boxtops, if you think thisquoatation doesn't merit comment or rebuttal please indulge me and explain why.
<<Polygamy
Polygamy is often a misunderstood concept in Islam. The Quran allows polygamy in the following verse:
If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice>>
Keyplus/Boxtops, if you think thisquoatation doesn't merit comment or rebuttal please indulge me and explain why.
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//Mohammed, like all "prophets", was just nothing more than an arrogant, ignorant man who presumed that his bigotted attitudes were given to him from a special source. //
so in that case beso, a bit like you then.
naomi, i have also given a straight answer and i cannot believe how thick some people are when this is the 5th time i have said that ISLAM IS NOT SEXIST, IT IS SOME OF THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE RELIGION, LIKE EVERY OTHER RELIGION, THERES SEXIST CHRISTIANS, HINDUS AND ATHEISTS ETC but of course that is not going to be a straight answer for you as i have brought atheists into the equation.
yes, i said that birdie, but than muhammed did not put any old thoughts into a book as what it says in the quran is totally different from what that guy said and also what you atheists are saying. Plus the quran was not actually revealed as a book but as a revelation on scriptures. It was put into a book many hundreds of years later from the scriptures that were kept.
so in that case beso, a bit like you then.
naomi, i have also given a straight answer and i cannot believe how thick some people are when this is the 5th time i have said that ISLAM IS NOT SEXIST, IT IS SOME OF THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE RELIGION, LIKE EVERY OTHER RELIGION, THERES SEXIST CHRISTIANS, HINDUS AND ATHEISTS ETC but of course that is not going to be a straight answer for you as i have brought atheists into the equation.
yes, i said that birdie, but than muhammed did not put any old thoughts into a book as what it says in the quran is totally different from what that guy said and also what you atheists are saying. Plus the quran was not actually revealed as a book but as a revelation on scriptures. It was put into a book many hundreds of years later from the scriptures that were kept.
Sith, //naomi, i have also given a straight answer and i cannot believe how thick some people are when this is the 5th time i have said that ISLAM IS NOT SEXIST, IT IS SOME OF THE PEOPLE WITHIN THE RELIGION, LIKE EVERY OTHER RELIGION, THERES SEXIST CHRISTIANS, HINDUS AND ATHEISTS ETC//
No, you have not given a straight answer. The question is “Which religion has the worst record for sexual discrimination?” To answer that you need to nominate a specific religion, which so far you’ve failed to do. All you have done is insist that Islam isn’t sexist. So which religion has the worst record for sexual discrimination? A one word answer will do.
//It [the Koran] was put into a book many hundreds of years later from the scriptures that were kept.//
Not true. It was put into book form fairly soon after the death of Mohammed.
//there is always going to be an atheist on here, whereas not a muslim as there are not many muslim on answerbank.//
Sith, this isn’t a battle between Muslims and Atheists. It’s a discussion about the realities of sexual discrimination within Islam. If there were a thousand Muslims here saying what you’re saying, it wouldn’t make them right. They would all be denying the truth – just as you are.
By the way, Atheism isn’t a religion.
No, you have not given a straight answer. The question is “Which religion has the worst record for sexual discrimination?” To answer that you need to nominate a specific religion, which so far you’ve failed to do. All you have done is insist that Islam isn’t sexist. So which religion has the worst record for sexual discrimination? A one word answer will do.
//It [the Koran] was put into a book many hundreds of years later from the scriptures that were kept.//
Not true. It was put into book form fairly soon after the death of Mohammed.
//there is always going to be an atheist on here, whereas not a muslim as there are not many muslim on answerbank.//
Sith, this isn’t a battle between Muslims and Atheists. It’s a discussion about the realities of sexual discrimination within Islam. If there were a thousand Muslims here saying what you’re saying, it wouldn’t make them right. They would all be denying the truth – just as you are.
By the way, Atheism isn’t a religion.
Naomi – I did not know that you were unable to read simple English. In my point about “again and again” I was telling Sith to check that thread again and again.
Sith – Please let me know if you get Naomi to agree with what you said. Or at least if she would admit that you did answer her question. Goo luck.
Father Ted – I believe Christianity is the worst religion when it comes to Sexual discrimination. There you go, now you have a straight answer from me.
Jackthehat – I will answer your question about that thread and about Muslims allowed to beat their wives. First you answer my question. What would you do if your loved one (wife, husband, son, daughter, mother, father or add anyone else) is trying to jump off the cliff? Would you let them, stop them, or would do something else that I am not aware of?
Naomi – there are few things in your post where you talked about my link. You gave a verse from Quran, this one,
///Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other…’////
But I will give you full verse, and don’t forget it was at a time when women were no more than animal and Quran gave them right, by the way I asked you to read all of Chapter 4, I am sure you did not. And even in this verse I know (100%) what you would pick) but I am ready for that too.
4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband´s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
Vetuste – If you want to know about Polygamy (4 allowed) then simple answer is that Islam put a limit of 4 at a time when there was no limit with no rights given to women. But still Quran “VERY CLEARLY” says that if you wouldn’t be able to do justice then marry only one. And in that regard Quran is the ONLY religious book in the world that says marry only ONE. Now about your question about sex with slave. And let me tell you that this was one question that always disturbed me too. Until I saw an article explaining it. Here it is read and see, but do keep one thing in mind that Islam abolished slavery centuries before West just thought about it through a system given by Quran.
http://onislam.net/en...an-rights/166931.html
Sith – Please let me know if you get Naomi to agree with what you said. Or at least if she would admit that you did answer her question. Goo luck.
Father Ted – I believe Christianity is the worst religion when it comes to Sexual discrimination. There you go, now you have a straight answer from me.
Jackthehat – I will answer your question about that thread and about Muslims allowed to beat their wives. First you answer my question. What would you do if your loved one (wife, husband, son, daughter, mother, father or add anyone else) is trying to jump off the cliff? Would you let them, stop them, or would do something else that I am not aware of?
Naomi – there are few things in your post where you talked about my link. You gave a verse from Quran, this one,
///Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allaah has made one of them to excel the other…’////
But I will give you full verse, and don’t forget it was at a time when women were no more than animal and Quran gave them right, by the way I asked you to read all of Chapter 4, I am sure you did not. And even in this verse I know (100%) what you would pick) but I am ready for that too.
4:34 Men are the protectors and maintainers of women, because Allah has given the one more (strength) than the other, and because they support them from their means. Therefore the righteous women are devoutly obedient, and guard in (the husband´s) absence what Allah would have them guard. As to those women on whose part ye fear disloyalty and ill-conduct, admonish them (first), (Next), refuse to share their beds, (And last) beat them (lightly); but if they return to obedience, seek not against them Means (of annoyance): For Allah is Most High, great (above you all).
Vetuste – If you want to know about Polygamy (4 allowed) then simple answer is that Islam put a limit of 4 at a time when there was no limit with no rights given to women. But still Quran “VERY CLEARLY” says that if you wouldn’t be able to do justice then marry only one. And in that regard Quran is the ONLY religious book in the world that says marry only ONE. Now about your question about sex with slave. And let me tell you that this was one question that always disturbed me too. Until I saw an article explaining it. Here it is read and see, but do keep one thing in mind that Islam abolished slavery centuries before West just thought about it through a system given by Quran.
http://onislam.net/en...an-rights/166931.html
Keyplus, //Naomi – I did not know that you were unable to read simple English. In my point about “again and again” I was telling Sith to check that thread again and again. //
Right. So when you said…..
//And finally SITH – please do see other thread Naomi asked you to see not once but again and again as it is still going on.//….
OK, but just one snag. I have no idea what thread you're talking about because I haven't asked Sith to see any thread. You're making it up again, aren't you. No surprise there then.
Keyplus, I can’t stop laughing. Really I can’t – although actually the implications of the rest of what you’ve posted are no laughing matter. You post something that tells women they must be obedient, and if they’re not, tells men to admonish them and beat them – oh, but only lightly so that’s alright then! And you expect people in the 21st century western world to agree with that? Sort yourself out, Keyplus, for goodness sake! This is pathetic! You really do make yourself more ridiculous with every post!
Moving on, perhaps you can answer the questions taken from your link that Sith has avoided answering. See my post at 09:49 Sun 25th Mar. Please tell me which of those statements aren’t sexist.
Right. So when you said…..
//And finally SITH – please do see other thread Naomi asked you to see not once but again and again as it is still going on.//….
OK, but just one snag. I have no idea what thread you're talking about because I haven't asked Sith to see any thread. You're making it up again, aren't you. No surprise there then.
Keyplus, I can’t stop laughing. Really I can’t – although actually the implications of the rest of what you’ve posted are no laughing matter. You post something that tells women they must be obedient, and if they’re not, tells men to admonish them and beat them – oh, but only lightly so that’s alright then! And you expect people in the 21st century western world to agree with that? Sort yourself out, Keyplus, for goodness sake! This is pathetic! You really do make yourself more ridiculous with every post!
Moving on, perhaps you can answer the questions taken from your link that Sith has avoided answering. See my post at 09:49 Sun 25th Mar. Please tell me which of those statements aren’t sexist.
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