Why after 9/11 people still convert to islam?

[sith123]

my posts on another thread suggested this question to me.

[jomifl]

Naomi, Sith doesn't do thinking.

[beso]

The underlying problem with all religion is the requirement to abandon responsibility for a considered consciousness in favour of a "one size fits all", fascist doctrine dreamed up by ancient, ignorant, misogynist men.

Get over it. Their philosophical perspective may have been a revelation in its day but only a fool would consider it ever had the capacity to be the last word on all concepts of morality.

Authentic philosophical frameworks never include the premise that their precepts are beyond question but instead rely on rational integrity to validate their foundations.

Analysis of the social interactions shows that any consideration adopting an "infallible" supposition would be doomed to despotism, which is exactly what we have seen of the religious throughout history when exposed to the slightest critique of their undeniably arrogant perspective as a philisophical elite.

The core value of the Abrahamic religions is absolute adherence to the doctrine and by this we should recognise its fundamental philosophical relationship is essentially fascist. Facism is the ultimate manifestation of the despot.

"This is THE WAY. Simply questioning the doctrine is immoral and those who do not conform to our declaration of truth will ultimately be destroyed."

The way of religion is a path to a careless immorality where the subject refuses to acknowledge the responsibility of one's own consciousness. The spiritually lazy pretend that an old set of arbitrary rules is a worthy substitute for personal conscious accountability.

Religion is one of the saddest of all things in the manifestation of life for it holds us in the grip of an archaic custom that persists like a parasite on humanity despite its overwhelmingly negative conseqeunces on civilization as a whole.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I'm opening a book on the likely response to your conciliatory note, Birdie. What do you think the 100-1 outsider is?

[keyplus90]

Naomi ////So if your girlfriend had refused to convert to Islam, would you have still married her?////

By “girlfriend” if you mean a girl who lived with me or had a relation with me more known between boyfriend and girlfriend before we got married then she never was my girlfriend. The first time we met by accident, second time (after just one week) we met with a purpose where I asked if she wanted to marry me and she said yes, and two and half months later we got married, nothing much in between. Now to your question. I never asked her to convert to Islam, not even once, but she decided to convert herself but obviously you would not trust me and what I am telling as you would rather trust a great white shark.

Birdie – I posted something I believed on that thread and then ignored that thread as with my ever going experiences I knew we were not going anywhere. Then I don’t usually follow threads once they have slipped off from the front page. And this is as far as I can respond to your post in that regard, nothing more. As for other bit, thanks for whatever you said and I am a kind hearted person too. I still have to find a single person in my life that knows me and dislikes me.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, //By “girlfriend” if you mean a girl who lived with me or had a relation with me more known between boyfriend and girlfriend before we got married then she never was my girlfriend.//

No, I didn’t mean that. That’s irrelevant. I meant the girl you intended to marry.

//The first time we met by accident, second time (after just one week) we met with a purpose where I asked if she wanted to marry me and she said yes,//

So let me get this right. You bumped into a girl you’d never met before – an English girl (as opposed to ‘British’) – arranged a date for the next week, and on that date asked her to marry you - and she said ‘yes’.

How very odd! I don’t quite know what to say – so perhaps it’s best I don’t.

//I never asked her to convert to Islam, not even once, but she decided to convert herself but obviously you would not trust me and what I am telling as you would rather trust a great white shark.//

Perhaps you didn’t actually ‘ask’ her to convert, but I suspect you filled her head with Islam, suggested a few new fashion accessories, and with a very firm hand guided her quite easily towards the nearest mosque.

//I still have to find a single person in my life that knows me and dislikes me.//

Wow! There’s a big assumption! Are you sure about that? Would most people tell you if they didn’t like you? If you’ve told everyone who’s crossed your path throughout your life what you’ve told us, I suspect your appeal may not be quite as universal as you seem to think.

//Then I don’t usually follow threads once they have slipped off from the front page. And this is as far as I can respond to your post in that regard, nothing more.//

Why doesn’t that surprise me?

[sith123]

naomi, i have thought about it. i answered it. If this is another attempt at being sarcastic than this is getting tedious as this is quite simply...pathetic. Say something worthwhile.

[naomi24]

Sith, I’m saying something worthwhile – but it’s falling on blind eyes.

Keyplus, another thought. Why didn't you see your wife between the proposal and the wedding? For an 'English' girl, it would be rather unusual to accept a proposal from a stranger - which you were to her - but then to keep away from the man she's engaged to for two and half months until the wedding would not be normal at all. I don't understand why she accepted that arrangement.

Birdie's provided you with the link to the other thread, so coming back there shouldn't present a problem to you. Easy.

[vetuste_ennemi]

I had Rimsky-Korsakov's Scheherezade when I was a kid. Nice to here it played again.

[jomifl]

V-E I don't think Keyplus would make a very attractive sheherezade particularly with his penchant for repetition.

[naomi24]

I’m rather fond of James Thurber.

[keyplus90]

Naomi – If you really are interested in my love story then I would tell you. However I know you would try finding something wrong there too. I said nothing “much” in between. I didn’t say nothing at all. But perhaps I will have to give you a full guided tour through it and that would give you all of what you want to know.

Let me start by saying that it was meant to happen. Because so many things I never planned. I was looking for a University for MBA, I phoned many for prospectus but decided to go to Exeter myself as one friend said that it was a lovely cit. I decided to have a day of my work and got on the train to kill two bird with one stone (find information about MBA and see the city) Got there a found out Exeter Uni did not provide what I was looking for. Went around the corner to city centre to have a snack and sat next to my wife to be as that was the only available place (she was on her lunch break). Spoke to her just to find out more about Exeter, and felt something different between her and all other friends (only friends, class and work fellows). Gave her my phone (did not ask her’s) as she may not want to give that to me. Asked her to phone me only if she wanted as I would want to speak to her again, next day she phoned, spoke about twenty minutes and she gave me her number. We spoke about ten minutes every day and then I went to see her again after one week, went to same place for coffee and I asked her if she would marry me. Obviously she still says that she was shocked. I told her that my few relatives here wanted me to marry here but I never agreed as I wanted to go back but meeting her changed my mind. That was truth and she trusted me, she did say that she did not knew me that much (as you mentioned) and wanted to think, I told her that I had thought as I always listened t my heart however she has a right to make her mind up, I came back to London and she went to her home and spoke to her mother, mother was pleased as she like me and other thing she liked was that I was asking her daughter to marry as she always thought marriage to be the right way, next day she phoned me and said “yes”. We decided to marry after 2.5 moths (and now answer to your question) and during that I went to see her once (day trip) and she came twice to London. Once she went back in the evening and once she stayed here and being a Muslim I gave her a separate room to sleep overnight. Apart from that conversation over the phone until we got married, Just before our Nikah (Islamic marriage) she said to me that she wanted to convert to Islam and I said fine your choice, and no, we did not go to mosque as it was arranged at a friend’s house. End of the story, and now after 18 years and 5 kids she still says that the only reason she decided to convert to Islam was that how I respected her and did not pushed her into any sexual relation before marriage. Simple as that and 100% truth but I know you would not believe it.

Sorry Sith, it has nothing to do with question but Naomi wanted to find out and as usual I always answer the questions asked.

[Theland1]

Nice one K.P.
Very chivalrous. Very romantic.
Was your missus religious before she met you? A Christian maybe?

[naomi24]

Keyplus, her mother was pleased? If I’d have gone home and told my mother I was going to marry a man from a different culture whom I’d known for only a fortnight and had only met twice she’d have been worried sick! I just can’t get my head around this.

//as usual I always answer the questions asked.//

I just checked the link Birdie posted, and I see you haven’t answered the questions there yet. Just a reminder.

[keyplus90]

Theland - Nice to see you back, I hope all is OK with you and family. My wife was Christian but not very much practising though.

Naomi - Her mother was the one who (apparently) liked me straight away, her father however was a bit concerned but after a years or so he did say to me that he was initially but then he said that he wished that he had a son like me. Because their own two sons are on and off and never really cared much. I said to him that in my culture we do not call in laws, we call son and father instead and therefore I was his son. Unfortunately her father and mother both passed away in last 2 years. May god bless them.

As for answering on the other thread, I have not even read that thread since I posted last and have no intention to. If the question is so important then ask me here as according to me I said whatever I wanted to say there.

[naomi24]

Keyplus, //I have not even read that thread since I posted last and have no intention to.//

Thought not.

[sith123]

birdie, wince when have you become the doomsayer?

Naomi, since when have you become the love expert?

(joke)

[jomifl]

Ha. (laughter)

[keyplus90]

I said what I believed there and still stand by my words and have not proved myself wrong but right. If someone believes otherwise then only thing I cans say is good luck. And thats all even on this thread because the real poster is not interested in it any more and we have gone of subject.