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Does Islam Have Anything To Offer The World?
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We have been told by a Muslim ABer that the people of Islam are coming to the west, not for a better life, but to show us ‘the way’. Most of the major problems the world is currently experiencing undoubtedly involve Muslim nations, and if that’s ‘the way’ they want to show us, it's not terribly enticing, so just what does Islam have to offer the world? As far as I can see, nothing whatsoever.
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naomi; you sound to be floundering, I answered that question at 08:02 this morning (Mon.) Your mean-spirited narrow-mindedness appears to demonstrate an Islamaphobia, where all Muslims are scrounging jihadists offering nothing at all to the world, just as you see the Roman-Catholic church only in the light of an entirely prosperous paedophile priesthood, - You really ought to try to get out more.
I have no wish to learn any more about Islam, I find their system archaic and their treatment of women diabolical. Recently I have read reports about communities being up in arms about yet another mosque or madrassa or suchlike being built or renovated, said to be open to all to learn about Islam. There have been two appeals to renovate old pubs in our district, some the local residents have trashed the buildings and daubed graffiti such is their objection to these places. However I think that whoever pays the price to the Brewery will get the prize wheather we want them or not. A lot of our properties are slowly being taken over, and it makes me wonder how long the Brits are going to sit back and let it happen. Speak out about it and you are racist or a bigot. I thought this immigration lark was to integrate with us not the other way around. (worried face)
Khandro, Oh dear. And only a day or two ago we had someone complaining that people of religion are unfairly maligned around here, so thank you for that. Now, I can’t decide whether your petulant little hissy fit is simply spitefully disingenuous, or whether you are genuinely unaware that your regular inability to conduct a civilised conversation causes your wayward fingers to overtake the velocity at which your brain works. I suspect a bit of both – but whatever it is, for your own sake, you ought to be aware that you are making a complete fool of yourself - again.
08:02 Monday //Of course Islam has made a huge contribution to the world as you would see if you went to the B.M. the V & A or the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford.//
^^That relates to the past – the question relates to the future. Not to worry. Rather than continue in your current vein, perhaps your withdrawal from this thread would better serve your increasingly failing reputation.
Jom, Ratter – thank you. It’s appreciated. The mind boggles! ;o)
08:02 Monday //Of course Islam has made a huge contribution to the world as you would see if you went to the B.M. the V & A or the Ashmolean Museum in Oxford.//
^^That relates to the past – the question relates to the future. Not to worry. Rather than continue in your current vein, perhaps your withdrawal from this thread would better serve your increasingly failing reputation.
Jom, Ratter – thank you. It’s appreciated. The mind boggles! ;o)
askyourgran, apparently we are all racists and Islamaphobes, being concerned about the mass immigration into the UK, and those who have come in recent times don't seem to be doing themselves any favours, maybe a few home grown fanatics have set the tone, but suggest this isn't the end of it. I despise religion, and Islam in particular, mostly for it's treatment of women, RC or Muslim, dogmatic and hopeless.
A plan to build what would have been the biggest mosque in Europe failed.
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i remember that, good, because they are not the only ones who reside in Newham, but some think they are. Don't we already have the largest Sikh Temple outside of India in UK, no one wonder some people go and join the EDL, not that i would, they are not my cup of tea at all. But quite frankly the more this happens where a so called minority impose their ideologies, and don't tell me they haven't, halal foods for one, which i also despise, right across the capital.
Also is halal meat significantly crueller than ordinary slaughtering? The wiki describes it like this:
"The animals must be slaughtered with sharp knife (so the animals would not feel the pain, as it quicken the death) and it must be done by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly the blood from the veins from must be drained completely. It is because blood is good culture medium for transportation of bacteria and to ensure no blood clots, thus keeping the whole animal bodies safe and clean to be eaten."
"The animals must be slaughtered with sharp knife (so the animals would not feel the pain, as it quicken the death) and it must be done by cutting the throat, windpipe and the blood vessels in the neck causing the animal’s death without cutting the spinal cord. Lastly the blood from the veins from must be drained completely. It is because blood is good culture medium for transportation of bacteria and to ensure no blood clots, thus keeping the whole animal bodies safe and clean to be eaten."
The argument about Mosques and Halal meat is a recurring one. There will always be people who view the building of a Mosque as alien. In a secular society though, that protects the freedom of worship then the building of Mosques and Temples is to be expected. Personally I have no particular issue with this, other than the more general observation that I would wish there was no longer any need for any type of place for religious worship.
As to Halal - Again a recurring argument, but a slightly different one. The religious maintain that there religion demands that meat is prepared in a Halal fashion - so the law allows for this. Meat Process companies will often slaughter all animals in a Halal fashion, saving costs, but they do not necessarily label all meat slaughtered in this fashion.
There is evidence and reports from various animal humane societies to suggest that Halal slaughter is more inhumane than the conventional slaughter method of stun first then proceed.
So at the moment a religious freedom trumps the recommended humane slaughter process - and the consumers do not necessarily get a choice to exercise their right to buy meat that has not been processes in the Halal fashion.
Personally, I think this is wrong.
As to Halal - Again a recurring argument, but a slightly different one. The religious maintain that there religion demands that meat is prepared in a Halal fashion - so the law allows for this. Meat Process companies will often slaughter all animals in a Halal fashion, saving costs, but they do not necessarily label all meat slaughtered in this fashion.
There is evidence and reports from various animal humane societies to suggest that Halal slaughter is more inhumane than the conventional slaughter method of stun first then proceed.
So at the moment a religious freedom trumps the recommended humane slaughter process - and the consumers do not necessarily get a choice to exercise their right to buy meat that has not been processes in the Halal fashion.
Personally, I think this is wrong.
Krom, I can’t speak for the contributor who brought the subject of mosques into the discussion, but in my opinion, since Islam is not simply a religion, the nature of the doctrine promoted within a church or a temple bears no comparison whatsoever to that promoted within a mosque – and therein lies the fundamental problem. Having said that, that same doctrine is promoted both inside and outside mosques, so from that point of view, apart from the volume of participation at any one time, the actual building is immaterial.
I see that a discussion of religion on here has gone it's usual level-headed, unemotional way!
It is just possible that the Jews and Christians on here don't follow, literally, everything they read in the bible. They are not keen on stoning adulteresses to death, nor executing blasphemers and heretics, for example (Does the bible tell them to do that? Can't remember, though it has been practised). And we seem to have given up waging holy wars. Can't see that the mass of Muslims are inclined to do such things, whatever their holy book and the writings of sages say.
It is just possible that the Jews and Christians on here don't follow, literally, everything they read in the bible. They are not keen on stoning adulteresses to death, nor executing blasphemers and heretics, for example (Does the bible tell them to do that? Can't remember, though it has been practised). And we seem to have given up waging holy wars. Can't see that the mass of Muslims are inclined to do such things, whatever their holy book and the writings of sages say.
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