Can Islam Be Reformed?

[naomi24]

Somali-born ex-Muslim writer and politician, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, who worked with murdered film director Theo van Gogh, said in an interview with Britain's Channel 4 News that Islam must be reformed to save it from extremists. //Schools and mosques must stop "taking young children, boys and girls, and filling their heads, using the Quran and the example of the Prophet Mohammed, filling their heads with hatred for this life, filling their heads with the idea of jihad, with the idea of Sharia."//

That will mean rejection of sections of the Koran and of the Prophet Mohammed’s perceived infallibility – but both are unthinkable to Muslims. What hope?

[vetuste_ennemi]

I do wish you'd listen to me occasionally.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Kitman + a copy of the Koran + a packet of tissues will enjoy himself all night.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Obviously a few twelve year old English girls in care would help.

[vetuste_ennemi]

Do you think he's a jerkhardi?

[Hypognosis]

I'm getting no joy on my faqatawa thread. Only one attempt at kitman so far.

Apologies, naomi. My thread was intended to 'unfold' into a thread rather like this but I didn't want it to be overtly R&S, as that would have inhibited replies.

Re: OP
I think their books author not only craftily got followers to believe the Torah and The Gospels were old hat and superceded as of now (7th c.) he also, lawyer-like, stuck in a "no tampering (unless it's me)" clause. Once he snuffed it, the whole thing ossified and *can never change*. It is a dinosaur, like the rest of them.

That "Be excellent to each other" 'religion' in the first Bill and Ted movie is, despite being Hollywood written and bordering on hippydom, light-years ahead of the factionalise-and-mutually-hate urination contest we have, at present. At this rate we'll not be able to move off-world, should the planet come under threat from asteroid impact.

[naomi24]

Ludwig’s comparison to Christianity doesn’t work. Unlike the bible, the koran is considered to be the authentic word of God and therefore beyond criticism, and Mohammed the perfect man, an example for all to emulate, and also deemed beyond reproach. Unless that changes – and realistically, if Muslims choose to retain their faith, it can’t – then neither can the religion.

[keyplus90]

[naomi24]

Keyplus, There's a lot of apologist nonsense going on there, and so many issues that he's failed to address, but it's late so for tonight suffice to say that while you clearly see his speech as something that might impress, he doesn't think entirely as you think. Check him out. (Incidentally, he's Shia).

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mehdi_Hasan

[Khandro]

Can Islam Be Reformed? yes of course it can, everything can be reformed. Not only can it be, but it will and has to be, though how long it will take, and how much suffering will be required before it does so, I don't know.
On a note of optimism, now, many people directly involved within the Muslim community, examples; Hamad Abdel Samad and The Muslim Women's Network and more, are beginning to speak of 'post-Quranic Islam'. A scholarly re-interpretation of the Quran is well overdue, the more this is discussed, the sooner the process it might begin.

[Answerprancer]

'Can Islam Be Reformed?'
Well, if the left-footers can manage it and they seem to be ...a bit, then maybe it's possible. Then again 99% of Muslims are ok by all accounts - yer bog standard Muslim is no better or worse than yer average left-footer afaic.

[-Talbot-]

I've just listened to Mehdi telling us that the terrorist who went on a murderous rampage in Paris were born in Europe and not refugees/immigrants ... he never explained why this was important to mention.

[Svejk]

Hasan, who calls non-muslims(that'd be us) pigs, stupid, immoral, etc, etc, when he's talking to his fellow vermin and the mask slips.

[Svejk]

[vetuste_ennemi]

Odd - I'd intended to hunt down a video in which Mehdi Hasan reveals his true attitudes. See that others here are ahead of the VE game.
Different thread has given an American equivalent of MH - the odious liar Reza Aslan.
Unholy trinity of Kitmen, Birdie.

[dieseldick]

NO , it cannot, and never will be. there is no such thing as moderate islam, its impossible to be a moderate muslim. look at proof in their book. i cant be bothered to look it all up but loads of proof .

[dieseldick]

first example.

https://sites.google.com/site/muslimdeception/taqiyya


so if a muslim is a muslim because he will obey the teachings of their quran then how to hell can they be moderate . thats the easiest and simplest explanation there is to it, no ifs and buts no grey area,s , its black and white. if they do not obey the teachings then they are non muslim.