Who Or What Created The Universe?

[Theland]

Dismiss God as the author and creator of the universe, but what is your hypothesis? Or are you simply satisfied to say, "I don't know?"

[scooping]

Depends whether you think God created the universe of whether God IS the universe.

[Theland]

I really DO respect the various beliefs expressed here, contrary to what has been suggested that I don't.
I am simply expressing my view, and seriously concerned that others are missing the point. I see that the bible is seriously misunderstood.

[jim360]

I'm not interested in debating the veracity or accuracy of the Bible. It was written by humans, and even aside from all the inconsistencies it comes attached with the easy possibility of errors in translation: "Thou shalt commit adultery" being one famous example.

If you want to debate the apparent physical impossibility of the Universe being created from nothing, then be my guest -- although I should point out that "nothing" is a very misleading term anyway. Once you allow for quantum effects, and gravity in particular, then there's no such thing as a literal, absolute absence of anything at all.

[albaqwerty]

IMHO, the bible is a load of fairy tales.
Each to their own, if some believe, then that's fine, if others don't, then that's fine too.

I still think the Universe was there before god was tho.

[Mamyalynne]

I must be the most boring person on the planet, I really don't mind how we got here - I'm just loving living and enjoying what time I have.


Do like reading theories though.

[jim360]

Aww, Mamya, don't be so hard on yourself, you're not the most boring person on the planet!

[davegosling]

"others are missing the point"

See, there it is right there! You say you request others' beliefs, yet you clearly think that anyone who disagrees with you are missing the point.

Aren't you bored with all this now? You believe in God, other people don't. Can't you just leave it alone?

[MallyJ]

You called my answer 'absurd' because I do not adhere to the belief that god made the universe.....you call that being respectful??? Stunned........

[mibn2cweus]

The problem inherent in this question lies not in the 'who' or 'what' but rather with the presumption that the universe was created at all. Creativity presupposes the existence of an intelligent purposeful intentional being without the benefit of a place where such a being can develop survive and evolve the qualities essential to the process of creativity, let alone exist at all. Creativity is a product of the universe along with billions of years of evolution that made the existence of life, consciousness, and intelligent purposeful action possible, not vice versa. In essence this question puts the cart before the horse. Consciousness presupposes the existence of something to be conscious of and the means and process by which one learns of there own existence and what is possible.

[woofgang]

Well The RC church OFFICIALLY supports Big Bang

[woofgang]

d'oh.....link
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-declares-evolution-and-big-bang-theory-are-right-and-god-isnt-a-magician-with-a-magic-9822514.html

[naomi24]

Theland, //I really DO respect the various beliefs expressed here//

I haven’t expressed a ‘belief’. I’ve examined the evidence and, rationally, what you claim cannot possibly be right.

Jim, //I'm not interested in debating the veracity or accuracy of the Bible.//

If you’re not interested in the veracity or accuracy of the bible, how can you legitimately claim it to be wrong?

[davegosling]

"Well The RC church OFFICIALLY supports Big Bang"

And, in one fell swoop, the creation as depicted in Genesis now becomes a "parable".

[hereIam]

I believe in the big bang, but I also believe in life after death, quite strongly in fact.

[davegosling]

"I also believe in life after death"

Really? What's it like? Is it the same for everybody, or does each dead person get their own?

Or can't we know until the moment comes?

[hereIam]

No idea dave having never been.

[hereIam]

Yet.

[davegosling]

Yet you still believe in it "quite strongly"? What evidence do you have that it exists?

[hereIam]

Not going to tell you dave. I don't like you. Oh and I've go to go now as well.

[jim360]

Naomi:

"Jim, //I'm not interested in debating the veracity or accuracy of the Bible.//

If you’re not interested in the veracity or accuracy of the bible, how can you legitimately claim it to be wrong? "

It's consistent with my general rule that you understand the Universe better by looking at it yourself, rather than through the eyes of other people. I don't consider the Bible to be "wrong" so much unreliable.