Our Home - The Speck Of Dust

[naomi24]

NASA has just released images of a black hole located in a distant galaxy.

It measures 40 billion km across - three million times the size of the Earth - and has been described by scientists as "a monster". The black hole is 500 MILLION TRILLION km away.

Logically, do those enormous distances not encourage the creationist fraternity to wonder if they’re mistaken? Do they not ask why, from this whole unimaginably vast universe, a creator God would have selected this minute speck of dust located somewhere near the outer reaches of a fairly minor galaxy – just one of an estimated 2000 billion galaxies each containing billions of stars – as home to his beloved(?) creation – man?

Personally, I cannot believe we’re that special. What say you?

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-47873592

[nailit]

//Nailit - wrong again.//
Thank you for that full and insightful refutatation. Appreciate it.
I see things in a different light now.

[nailit]

Science was wrong all along and the bible was right. My bad!

[mibn2cweus]

Existence is. To deny existence you deny your own in the process. Time and space are aspects of existence and, like anything else, do not exist without it. Everything that is, exists within the confines of existence. Apart from existence there is no time and therefore nothing that precedes it.

[Theland]

Nailit - At 17:55 you were factually incorrect. The Bible has much to say about the nature of the universe, sometimes in just one or two phrases. Look into it.

[Theland]

Mibs - With the greatest of respect, that seems a bit convoluted to me.
I have problems keeping up with you on this.
But thank you for your replies and I hope there are more.

[Deskdiary]

Naomi - this is, in my view, and without a single shadow of a doubt, by far the best question I've ever seen on AB.

I know for a fact there's no such thing as god - because I have what they call in the medical world 'A Brain'. The very idea is just so absurd that I'm constantly amazed that people that appear normal believe such nonsense.

I'm reading a book at the moment and there's a great line that exposes the absurdity of people believing in god - I'll find the quote and post it.

You will note I refuse to use a capital G.

[mibn2cweus]

I would never ask anyone to believe something they do not understand.

[Deskdiary]

I'll go further.....I honestly believe a belief in god is a form of mental illness.

Believers scoff at people who believe in the nuttery of scientology, quite rightly, but why? Why are their beliefs any more mental than the mental beliefs of those who believe in god? Is it just because Hubbard's religion is only 60 years old rather than 2000 years old? If Hubbard is wrong, why? Why is he wrong but other deluded people aren't.

I have yet to hear a coherent argument for the belief in god. and I certainly don't expect to get one from the zealots on AB.

[Theland]

If you live in a universe of cause and effect, why don't you believe in a first cause?
Why ridicule believers?
Why not explain your theories of origins?

[Zacs-Master]

I see this was yet another Ouroborosic thread. Well worth starting a whole discussion.

Anyone learnt owt?

[jim360]

The mistake in arguing over whether or not Einstein believed in God is in thinking that it's even relevant, one way or the other. Sir Isaac Newton believed in God, and it's manifestly clear from centuries of scientific endeavour that he was hardly alone in that regard, and that doesn't matter either.

[Theland]

Mibs is instructing me on existence.
Finding it difficult to follow.

Anybody else follow it more easily than me?

[Khandro]

//I'm reading a book at the moment and there's a great line that exposes the absurdity of people believing in god - //

Well, that's all sorted then.

[naomi24]

Khandro, do you ever have an original thought?

Deskdiary, thank you.

[naomi24]

Theland, //If you live in a universe of cause and effect, why don't you believe in a first cause? //

You do - and you identify it - which is where your hypothesis fails.

[Theland]

Fails how?

[naomi24]

You claim to know, Theland... but you don't and you can't. That's where it fails.

[Theland]

And I gather you too are in the dark?


However, you are ignorant of the Bible, the supernaturally inspired Word Of God that provides enlightenment.

[naomi24]

That's not an answer - that's preaching. You don't know, Theland .... and you can't know. Others believe in other creators and they're just as convinced as you are. You can't all be right - but you all think you are. You don't know - none of you know - and that really is a fact.

[Theland]

That's too certain and authoritative for me to swallow.
You sit in pedantic judgement again without ever examining the evidence.