The Authority For Morality.

[Theland]

What do you consider the ultimTe authority for morality?

I believe it is God.

[nailit]

Pix, the entire bible is so warped in its morality that Ive seen preachers doing absolute cartwheels trying to defend it.
How anyone can say that the Bible is a book on which we should base our morality is beyond my comprehension...

[pixie374]

Me too, nailit... xx

[Mamyalynne]

My answer is also - Me, sorry not to be original.

[nailit]

Why do religious believers think that atheists cant have a morals?

[Mamyalynne]

I think your question needs a 'some' in there Nailit.

[nailit]

//I think your question needs a 'some' in there Nailit.//
Do you mean
//Why do religious believers think that atheists cant have 'some' morals?// Mamy??

[pixie374]

Lol. "Some" religious believers ...

[nailit]

Ah right!
LOL, my bad...

[nailit]

The Joy of Text eh?

[pixie374]

:-) x

[AuntPollyGrey]

// I believe it is God. //

The Christian 'God' ,according to scriptures ,has done some horrible deeds in the name of Christianity. No, the ultimate authority for morality lies in the individual, guided by Law and your moral compass.

[Mamyalynne]

Behave ;-)

[nailit]

//If a man would follow, today, the teachings of the Old Testament, he would be a criminal. If he would follow strictly the teachings of the New, he would be insane//
(Robert Green Ingersoll)

The Bible is not a good moral compass to live by.

[pixie374]

I don't really think anyone does live by it, tbh. X

[nailit]

//I don't really think anyone does live by it, tbh.//
Thank God ;-)

There WAS a time when Europe was governed by Christianity. It was known as The Dark Ages.

[nailit]

Just one instance of Bible morality (plenty more available on request)
(Deuteronomy Ch.21) If a man have a stubborn and rebellious son, which will not obey the voice of his father, or the voice of his mother, and that, when they have chastened him, will not hearken unto them: Then shall his father and his mother lay hold on him, and bring him out unto the elders of his city, and unto the gate of his place; And they shall say unto the elders of his city, This our son is stubborn and rebellious, he will not obey our voice; he is a glutton, and a drunkard. And all the men of his city shall stone him with stones, that he die: so shalt thou put evil away from among you; and all Israel shall hear, and fear.

Don't know about you but chance how my own child turns out, I wouldn't stone him to death. And if God himself ordered it I would tell him to stuff his morality where the sun don't shine...
Get a life..the bible is NOT any kind of manuel to live by.
For Funks Sake.

[AZardoz]

I guess stoning is more effective than a "time out".

[nailit]

//I guess stoning is more effective than a "time out".//
There is that ;-)

[nailit]

We are supposed to reject Old Testament morality of course (except that jesus tells us not to) but New Testament Morality isn't much better (depending on who you believe...Jesus, St Paul or other unidentified writers).
The morality of the New Testament writers depends upon the (contradictory) theology of the authors.
Take your pick. Many churches have.

[nailit]

And of course, the OT doesn't apply any more. Even though some of it does apperently??