Our Selfish God.

[Theland]

A quote from Naomi on the, '' Benign,'' thread :-

. This selfish God says worship him or woe betide you, and the cowardly do as they are bid lest they compromise the safety of their souls in defence of truth. If man was made in God’s image it shows. What a selfish, self-obsessed creature he is.

This quote raises a few questions.
Is God selfish? Yes, most certainly, He tells us this in the Bible.

Those who do His bidding are cowardly? How? That surely demands an explanation and some examples.
I believe in God, have I made the impression of being cowardly?
On the contrary, it would be easier for me to embrace the majority consensus on God, science and evolution, but I don't. Is that cowardly?
It is true that people are selfish, that is the cause of moral evil.
So Naomi, what on earth are you talking about?

[Theland]

Mozz - 02:08 - right, right, and right again.
Indeed Love thy neighbour, but be wary of his violent doctrine.

By the way, Singh is not Muslim, but Sikh, not a threat to us, do not consider us infidels.

[Mozz71]

"Love conquers all"

Even if it is between two of the same sex?

I'd be happier to accept your explanation if, in my he previous breath, call LGBT+ "a perversion". Even when being sincere, which I completely believe you are being, you can't help but have a little dig at what you admit to not understanding. Is that a Christian sensibility?

[Mozz71]

Yeah, I know Singh is Sikh, I couldn't think of another Muslim name at short notice.

[Theland]

Mozz - I guess so.
I don't have all of the answers, I defy anybody who claims they do.
But we live in a perverted swamp where anything goes, and what passes for love is so often lust.

[Mozz71]

I think I'm getting tired, my posts are gobbledigook.

"if you hadn't, in the previous breath..." was what I was attempting to type.

[Mozz71]

//I don't have all of the answers, I defy anybody who claims they do.//

I thought all the answers were in your book?

[Mozz71]

Look, I'm going to bed now. Thank you for the chat. I get the feeling this is the only time of day we can talk like civil people without others coming on and throwing abuse around!

If it's all the same, I'm sticking with my right on, lefty, Agnostic sensibilities.

[Theland]

Mozz - You are not the only one who feels a bit befuddled at this late hour, and trying to juggle arguments around.
I will say this before signing off; as Naomi pointed out, sin does not exist for the atheist, so no problem there then.
God gives us free will, and so we can make free choices, but the outcome of those choices is not what we expect without God in our lives.
The pursuit of unfettered material gain, complete hedonism, total moral autonomy, all are possible, but none can keep to the promise of happiness and fulfillment when we, human beings, were designed for something far superior.
Nice talking to you.

[Mozz71]

You call it sin, I call it morality. What a believer does might be because the book tells them to, a non-believer may do the same because it's just the right thing to do. We don't need a guide book to tell us what is right or wrong, we just make that decision on our own. Sleep well mate.

[naomi24]

Mozz, //I get the feeling this is the only time of day we can talk like civil people without others coming on and throwing abuse around!//

Practice what you preach. You kicked this thread off with an unprovoked swipe at me - and it’s not the first by a long way.

Theland, //Do you want me to interpret scripture to suit the mood? //

You do.

//Does scripture have to accommodate the current societal thinking?//

Absolutely it does. If you didn’t accept that it must be interpreted to suit current societal thinking, you’d have done as your loving and compassionate God commanded and put your homosexual son to death.

//Tomus42 - When Christ was tested by Satan in the desert, He could have compromised the scriptures and He did not.
Is a servant greater than his Master?//

Sanctimonious hogwash.

//On the subject of homosexuality, that has been in the past a burden to my son, but no longer and that for many years.//

How did he reconcile it?
 
//The pursuit of unfettered material gain, complete hedonism, total moral autonomy, all are possible, but none can keep to the promise of happiness and fulfillment when we, human beings, were designed for something far superior.//

You don’t object to a bit of material gain if it benefits you - and I’d back my moral code against yours - or your God’s - any day.

[Theland]

My word all that by 09:15.
Quite a stirring speech.

[naomi24]

//My word all that by 09:15. //

Late in the day compared to you, Theland.

[Theland]

You obviously don't know much about the new covenant embodied in Jesus Christ, Naomi.
But don't let that prevent you from your ill informed barbed comments. As if it would.

[Theland]

Just read your post again.
My word you really are full of yourself.

[vulcan42]

\\Quite a stirring speech.//
It didn't stir you enough to answer it.
You asked if a servant is greater than his master, if the servant is a slave then yes, he is.

[naomi24]

Theland, the best you can ever do is resort to personal attacks. You have no answers.

Incidentally, the new covenant is made up.

[Theland]

When you say sanctimonious hogwash?
Personal attacks?
Come on down Naomi, join the masses.

[Theland]

Incidentally, you haven't a clue.

[naomi24]

When I say it’s sanctimonious hogwash it’s because it is sanctimonious hogwash. I haven’t a clue about what?

[Zacs-Master]

Hey, Thel, some great news!
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/pope-francis-assures-atheists-you-don-t-have-to-believe-in-god-to-go-to-heaven-8810062.html