Do You Prefer Fact Or Fiction?

[nailit]

After 55 years on this earth I prefer fact.
As much as it pains me, as much as it upsets me, I prefer facts over faith.
A few weeks ago I was nearly suicidal. Still prefer facts to 'faith'. If I had ended my life then, I would have been dead, end off, no atheist in foxhole here.
Just dont understand this religious preoccupation with living forever....
I honesty just dont get it?
What the hell are you going to to FOREVER?
It would be like watching a game of football that went on forever...there wouldnt be a point,

[Theland]

And hope?

[pixie374]

It doesn't, theland. For those who don't see the bible as "fact", it explains nothing.
The universe can't come out of nothing, you say... so where is the science to show God is eternal? Let's at least use the same criteria.

[Peter Pedant]

// Theland, you can't use the bible to prove itself.//
yeah that is something called Tarski's theorem on indefinability

more formally - you need a metalanguage but I have to say that might be supplied ad lib from theology
such as ( fr'instance trinity doesnt occur in the NT - nor does holy mass or sunday communion)

[naomi24]

Theland, the question isn’t about God’s people - it’s about your unqualified claim that God is eternal.

[pixie374]

It's called "common sense", pp....

[Theland]

Pixie, I can't use the natural sciences to prove God.
But God has proven Himself to me and millions like me.

[pixie374]

How? And why would you think the universe, or evolution, hasn't done exactly the same?

[Theland]

The same? Scientifically impossible.
A first cause is needed, so far eluding the scientists.

[pixie374]

You claim god doesn't have a first cause. As far as I know, you are the only person who both suggests there "has to" be one. Why? But also, that there isn't one.
Please decide... and let me know which you think it is.

[pixie374]

How is an eternal God "scientifically possible"? For example.

[Theland]

I have no idea, but He is.

[pixie374]

He isn't. If he was, you would say how. Your thinking and reasoning is no more logical than anyone else's.
If you just said you believe in God, because you want to (like most people do), there would be nothing to disagree with. But when you suggest it is rational or factual- you make it very easy to prove otherwise.

[Theland]

Really?
He has revealed Himself through very accurate prophecy.
They is proof enough.

[pixie374]

Theland... there isn't. If there was, I'm sure you would have shown us by now. Even I would have a rethink, if there was any convincing proof. But, you seem to ask questions of "atheists", which you are unable to answer yourself.

[Theland]

Of course I can't answer, I am not God.
You want proof?
Then consider a biogenesis.
It is impossible for lifeless chemicals to become anything except lifeless chemicals.
God is the author and sustainer of life.
He is an embarrassment to the many scientists who have tried to tackle the problem of a biogenesis.
More if you want it.

[pixie374]

That isn't an answer. Even of you were right, ruling out other theories, doesn't prove yours.
So yes, more please. How is an eternal god possible?

[pixie374]

And ps... that isn't true. We all start in our grandmother's body, as an egg. From... nowhere.

[Theland]

Don't be silly Pixie.

[pixie374]

What's silly? At one point, you were a lifeless egg in your grandmother's body. Her giving birth to a girl... and a chemical reaction gave you life.

[Theland]

Oh dear!
Surely we aren't going to have to discuss basic biology?
Have a look at the Millar / Urey experiment in the 1950's.
The egg is already highly sophisticated, complicated and organised beyond anything our scientists could replicate, so you picked a poor example.
I'll leave it there.
This is not a serious discussion.