The Truth Of The Bible.

[Theland]

Only the bible describes the state of the world as we head into the End Times.
Only the bible has verifiable prophecies that can be tested for truth.
Is it not time to take the bible seriously?

[naomi24]

How did I know you would swerve that, Khandro? Must be psychic! Spooky!

[Khandro]

naomi: I have speculated; "//Are there perhaps somethings beyond what we perceive as the natural world, not unnatural but supernatural, not beyond nature but beyond us ?"

It is quite a clear & unequivocal question, what is it you don't understand about that ?

[naomi24]

The bit about 'supernatural'. Why do you think anything might be 'supernatural' simply because you don't understand how or why it happens?

[Theland]

Supernatural, that which is above and beyond the natural, the world we perceive with our five senses.

[Khandro]

Yes, I think naomi has been reading too many ghost stories.

[vulcan42]

We have seven senses.

[pixie374]

Khandro, subjectivity isn't "real" or provable, it's interpretation and individual (hence the name).
We have far more than five senses- and they tell us what we perceive to be real. They are not proof. Theland, how can anything be above and beyond the natural? Where does that come from? That we don't yet understand something, doesn't mean anything.

[pixie374]

More than that, vulcan.

[pixie374]

And all fallible, more to the point.

[vulcan42]

True pixie, I didn't want to confuse Theland too much at this stage.

[pixie374]

Much too late, my love :-)

[Khandro]

pixie: //how can anything be above and beyond the natural?//

What do you perceive as 'the natural' and by what means?

[pixie374]

That's more for theland, khandro. It's what I'm asking him.

[pixie374]

You missed my question though- why is subjectivity "real"?

[naomi24]

Khandro, rather than trying to be smart, why don't you just answer my question? I expect nothing more from Theland than he's offered. A figment of his imagination.

[Theland]

Quantum field theory is hardly discernable through our senses although we are affected by it.
The spirit world is that from which God created us.
How can we know anything about it?
The bible. Gods revelation to us.
His prophecies fulfilled long after they were written are beyond any human explanation.

[pixie374]

Back to real life though, theland- what is "supernatural"? Did God create it too? What does it mean to you?

[naomi24]

//Quantum field theory is hardly discernable through our senses //

Does it qualify as 'supernatural' then?

[Zacs-Master]

Jesus, we’ve entered subjective, unfounded, speculation and opinionated *** here. Please stop because you’re tying yourselves in knots.

[Theland]

As Zacs says its now speculation. Its weird for sure.