The Truth Of The Bible.

[Theland]

Only the bible describes the state of the world as we head into the End Times.
Only the bible has verifiable prophecies that can be tested for truth.
Is it not time to take the bible seriously?

[naomi24]

Would you answer my question please, Theland?

[Theland]

Is quantum field theory supernatural?
Well its not something you stumble across in the supermarket, or any place that we know as natural.
I can only speculate, and guess that the quantum fields may have been the raw material for the creation.
But who cares?
Its no more than a talking point, and nothing to stumble over.

[naomi24]

You mentioned it so I guess you care.

[Theland]

Its interesting.

[naomi24]

It’s not supernatural though.

[Khandro]

naomi: Why can you not see that 'supernatural' is not beyond nature, but beyond us, beyond our limited ability to understand?

[Canary42]

Computer experts have created a model which reproduces this murmuration behaviour. They discovered it works when each bird has to be aware of only 7 other birds (I think it was 7, can't remember but it was about that number). So not beyond our understanding.

Good try though.

[naomi24]

Khandro, //naomi: Why can you not see that 'supernatural' is not beyond nature, but beyond us, beyond our limited ability to understand? //

That's exactly as I see it. Why then, if it is 'natural' do you define it as 'supernatural'?

[naomi24]

Incidentally, Khandro, what's to say that that which is beyond our understanding now will continue to elude us forever? Have faith, old bean. ;o)

[Theland]

What is supernatural is the information necessary for DNA.
Information can only ever originate in a mind.

[Khandro]

Canary // So not beyond our understanding.//

Making computer models is a long way from understanding. Gold medals are given to just 2 guys diving with simultaneous actions for a few seconds. It has to be choreographed & practiced for many hours like dance routines - that is the only way we can do it. These birds can do it in their thousands & the new born baby house martins in the nests under my eaves just outside my studio window (I can hear them as I write) will, in a few months fly to South Africa.

Try as you may with your computers, you will never understand that because we are not equipped to do so.

[naomi24]

Khandro, that is nature - and nature is not supernatural - it’s natural. Furthermore, failing to understand precisely how it all works is no reason to introduce an imaginary magic being into the mix.

[pixie374]

Khandro, "supernatural" literally does mean beyond nature. Why does that change according to who does or doesn't understand it?

[Radagast]

// Information can only ever originate in a mind. //

Light from the Sun contains information about what the Sun is made of. No mind involved.

[pixie374]

Rad, we have been through and debunked all that millions of times, recently. Find a brick wall to bang your head on :-)

[Khandro]

naomi: Do you want to play with semantics, or do you really not understand?
A supermarket is something beyond an old-fashioned market, but it's still a market.
Go figure !

[pixie374]

And supernatural is beyond natural... why don't you, khandro?

[Khandro]

p. But it's still natural !!!

[andy-hughes]

Khandro - // naomi: Do you want to play with semantics, or do you really not understand?
A supermarket is something beyond an old-fashioned market, but it's still a market.
Go figure ! //

market
1.
a regular gathering of people for the purchase and sale of provisions, livestock, and other commodities.
"they wanted to browse around the street market"
an open space or covered building where vendors convene to sell their goods.
"Billingsgate Market"
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Similar:
shopping centre

marketplace
mart
retail outlet
flea market

supermarket

a large self-service shop selling foods and household goods.
fair
bazaar
piazza
plaza
souk
agora

emporium

2.
an area or arena in which commercial dealings are conducted.
"the UK market remained in recession"

There you are - in your urgent need to prove that you are 'right', you fail to grasp the fundamental differences between a 'market' and a 'supermarket' because you were seduced by your obsession with the comcept of 'super' and your wilful need to ignore th facts and logic behing presented to you by other contributors.

So - no change there.

[pixie374]

So is everything, khandro. I thought you were suggesting it depended on what humans understood?