Evidence for God?

[chakka35]

In two other threads on this site mallymooface has claimed that there is evidence for God, on one occasion even saying "there is plenty of physical evidence for God".
She also asks whether I can produce proof that God doesn't exist. Taking them in order:

The first one is easy from my end: what evidence do you have, mallymooface, for God's existence? I don't mean faith or personal conviction; I mean evidence - your word.

As to the second (that old chestnut) the fact that one cannot prove the non-existence of unnatural things that people have mooted does not support the truth of them.
I am sure that I cannot disprove the existence of unicorns, magic carpets, Elwood P Dowd's invisible white rabbit called 'Harvey' or shoe-mending elves, but does that inability of mine add to their credibility? If so, then anyone can invent any crazy thing and then sit back smugly and say "You disprove it!"
It is for those who claim incredible things to prove them, or at least provide evidence that the rest of us can chase up.

[meredith101]

I call it a delusion.

I believe in the pink flying pyjama unicyclist from planet Blergo. If you believe in him he is where you are, well if you do not then try finding him and you will never find him. These people will call it chemical reaction.

[mallymooface]

I agree Keyplus. In a court of law personal testimony is often just as weighty as physical evidence, but on a site like this not worth much. But Chakka has asked for evidence so here goes:

Does Chakka know for example that the Bible talked of mountains and valleys in the sea, long before science discovered them?

Does Chakka know that the Bible talked of paths in the sea that were not mapped or discovered until the 1900s?

Does Chakka know that the Bible talks about planetary activity that is only being discovered now with greater technology available to us?

If you want more evidence that God probably exists please visit this site:
www.christiantrumpetsounding.com/god_of_science.htm

[meredith101]

Read and weep.

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm

[naomi24]

Mally, there are many things that were known before science discovered them - and that's because all the gods, including yours, came from more advanced civilisations on other planets. He wasn't supernatural at all - just more technologically advanced.

[mallymooface]

Read it, wept. I have now converted to athiesm because you have just answered all my questions and doubts in one!

[SuperPigeon]

maybe thats the point. I havnt read all the comments but... if someone says, "go on disprove it then..." maybe it makes it real.

A simple example is "beauty in the eye of the beholder"...beauty (an abstract noun) only exists for the person who sees beauty... maybe god works similarly... if you believe in him he exists and if you dont he doesnt....

[naomi24]

Mally Could you give me those bible references you mentioned please? I do tend to make a bit of a study of this sort of thing.

[WaldoMcFroog]

"Read and weep.

http://www.godlessgeeks.com/LINKS/GodProof.htm "

It certainly made me chuckle. It's just like listening to Theland and Keyplus and Mani and you in a crazy blender.

[123everton]

Hello again Chaka I know of a boy who got hit by a bus (it had to be jacked up off him) I find his survival and lack of injury (tore the skin of his ar5e) quite miraculous, there are other things I could mention, but I can't be bothered just now.
Happy hobbying. ;-)

[meredith101]

Like about 30 million people in Africa given an incurable deadly disease by a loving tender creator who 'has counted every hair on their head'.

I*don't*think*so.

[WaldoMcFroog]

As you failed to answer last time you cited your kid and the bus, I'll repeat what I asked last time, Everton.

1) Did the boy, bus driver or any bystander have to offer a prayer for God to intervene? (One assumes that the nature of the accident preculdes the possibility of anyone having the time to do so, but your description of the accident is vague, so I want to be sure.)

2) Given that God has shown that he is prepared to intervene to preserve mortal life, why does he fail to do so more often? Why was this one boy and bus scenario so much more important than say, Maddie McCann? We know prayers have been offered for her too.

Why, for example, does God not intervene to save children in US high school massacres? Ok, if we allow that God has to have a prayer before he can act (which is nonsense, but we'll allow it for now), maybe the first few would die, but the others in the next classroom would surely be praying before the gunman burst into their class?
What about where death is not quick, but slow, lingering and painful? How about a children's cancer ward - this child lives, but five others die (or five live and one dies, it matters not). Are some children dying of Leukaemia more worthy of saving than others?

Why is your God so inconsistant? Is he not all powerful? Is he capricious, evil, lazy, inattentive or what? What criteria are used to determine which children live and which die?

[naomi24]

Everton If you're very observant you'll see that five posts above yours on this very page, I've yet again on AB, outlined my thoughts on your God. Let's hope that will satisfy your apparent obsession to continually interrogate me - on that question at least.

(Sorry everyone, you probably haven't a clue what I'm talking about - but Everton knows - and this needed to be said).

[meredith101]

No, he's not inconsistent, it's just that 'not enough people have been praying' for that particular outcome. God can do everything, stop people getting killed in accidents, for example, it's just that he holds off on doing them til someone asks for him to do them, so that 'his glory can be shown'.
Even if someone's deluded enough to believe in a divine creator, at least see, when you think about it, if prayer scans at all, I mean, really??? He's good, but only when you ask him enough. In fact.....his actions are therefore contingent on YOUR actions. Meaning he's not God at all.
What a load of crap.

[WaldoMcFroog]

Oh yeah. Sorry. My mistake. It makes sense now.

[123everton]

I find his survival quite miraculous, and there's nothing you've ever said to disprove it, to me.
Circumstantial evidence is being allowed as such evidence is anecdotal it is admissable, it's also dismissable if you choose it to be so.

[naomi24]

Mally Please forget my request for biblical references - your link gives them.

[naomi24]

Waldo Just read your link. Ouch! :o)

Meredith talks about deadly diseases, and of course, she's right. I know we could say that some are caused as a result of the lifestyles we lead, and in many cases that's true, but one of the cruelest and most horrendous afflictions in this world has to be Alzheimer's. Can this God's followers explain the rationale behind that? Or perhaps I shouldn't ask?

[WaldoMcFroog]

It was Meredith's link akshirley.

The sad thing is that although the list gets more obviously farcical and facetious as it goes on, we regularly see those 'proofs' at the top of the page cited on the AB.

[naomi24]

Oh, right. Missed that - the sentiment remains the same though. :o)

[Theland1]

Oh don't be sad Waldo, it's the weekend and this is supposed to be fun.
So, in a nutshell, the universe popped out of nothing, and we don't know why, and as rational thinking people we are supposed to accept that?
Right?