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Since Naomi will not give me the ****ing key I have decided to follow Jesus and be a Christian just like Theland. I am ashamed of my past history here so I'm going to devote the time I used to spend on ab to reading the Bible. No question really because I no longer care about what people think. I'll get all my answers from God from now on thank you.
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The beyond within?
Some of this stuff supports Naomis assertion that the soul survives the body, and certainly supports Chinas assertion that life is more shades of grey rather than simply black and white.
Therefore, I would suggest that with just a little digging, one can find enough material to cast doubt on Mibs' assertion on reason being the highest calling of the human species.
That seems just too cold and calculating for me, and I think my views are supported widely with evidence that would have Dawkins pulling his hair out.
For example.
Some of this stuff supports Naomis assertion that the soul survives the body, and certainly supports Chinas assertion that life is more shades of grey rather than simply black and white.
Therefore, I would suggest that with just a little digging, one can find enough material to cast doubt on Mibs' assertion on reason being the highest calling of the human species.
That seems just too cold and calculating for me, and I think my views are supported widely with evidence that would have Dawkins pulling his hair out.
For example.
Theland, I find that which attempts to subvert, defy, or "go beyond" reason, does just that and is as such incomprehensible and unjustifiable. That to which I can not relate I have no way of or means to acquire understanding about.
As for your assessment of reason being too "cold and calculating" for your liking; such a view is common among those who see their purpose as one of cheating death and/or defying reality. Attempts at either do reveal the "cold and calculating" aspects of both death and reality.
Life and reality produce and provide a warmth of their own that are lost to those who have chosen to walk a shielded and blinded path. Death and the oblivion of consciousness which results are the inevitable aspects of reality that provide those who recognise the potential value of life with an even greater reason to respect and enjoy their day in the Sun.
I apologize for my apparent failure to point out that reason is a pointless pursuit apart from that which makes it possible and reveals it beneficial qualities, the art of living. However if life is not your most primary and fundamental value, reason and the reality that it is intended to enable you to understand, can not be anything other than your perceived enemy.
Simply stated, any attempt to �go beyond reason� is by definition just that . . . beyond reason. Anything else is in defiance of reality, reason or explanation; mine, yours or anyone elses.
Reality is an absolute; perception is our only means of acquiring it, reason is our only means of comprehending it and a life guided by both is our only means of changing it. If this is not enough for you, if you persist in wishing for something more, than you sacrifice reality, reason and life, all to achieve a goal a conscious mind will not allow you to admit to yourself, the �blissful� oblivion of nothingness.
As for your assessment of reason being too "cold and calculating" for your liking; such a view is common among those who see their purpose as one of cheating death and/or defying reality. Attempts at either do reveal the "cold and calculating" aspects of both death and reality.
Life and reality produce and provide a warmth of their own that are lost to those who have chosen to walk a shielded and blinded path. Death and the oblivion of consciousness which results are the inevitable aspects of reality that provide those who recognise the potential value of life with an even greater reason to respect and enjoy their day in the Sun.
I apologize for my apparent failure to point out that reason is a pointless pursuit apart from that which makes it possible and reveals it beneficial qualities, the art of living. However if life is not your most primary and fundamental value, reason and the reality that it is intended to enable you to understand, can not be anything other than your perceived enemy.
Simply stated, any attempt to �go beyond reason� is by definition just that . . . beyond reason. Anything else is in defiance of reality, reason or explanation; mine, yours or anyone elses.
Reality is an absolute; perception is our only means of acquiring it, reason is our only means of comprehending it and a life guided by both is our only means of changing it. If this is not enough for you, if you persist in wishing for something more, than you sacrifice reality, reason and life, all to achieve a goal a conscious mind will not allow you to admit to yourself, the �blissful� oblivion of nothingness.
Oh heavens. I've just come in, tired and feeling pretty dopey, so thought I'd pop into AB for a little light relief. No such luck. The question in R&S about intelligence is far too difficult to tackle without some serious thought, and although it's something I'd dearly love to plunge into, my brain isn't up to plunging up to at the moment. So, thought I, I'll pop into the Santuary to see what the other inmates are up to - and what do I find? Another thought-provoking discussion, to which, right now, I feel I could add absolutely nothing.
I'm going to watch Greys Anatomy - with the obligatory glass of wine - and hopefully, if that nonsense doesn't turn my brain completely to mush within its designated hour, I'll be back later, complete with bikini, swimming goggles and flippers, and in I'll plunge - so hold that thought!
I'm going to watch Greys Anatomy - with the obligatory glass of wine - and hopefully, if that nonsense doesn't turn my brain completely to mush within its designated hour, I'll be back later, complete with bikini, swimming goggles and flippers, and in I'll plunge - so hold that thought!
Theland .... the Chairman. First of all it's a charitable organisation. He's a director of a small communications company - almost 50, tall, slim and fashionable - he commands no respect whatsoever (although in his arrogance he thinks he does), he thinks he's irresistible to women (plants a kiss on my cheek after every meeting - YUK!), and he shouts when he talks. (At the last meeting everyone started talking amongst themselves and he barked, 'Hang on a minute, you're losing control of this meeting'. I couldn't resist telling him 'They're not - you are!'). Anyway, all in all, an uneducated, ill-bred, conceited, flash Harry, who would, in my opinion, be far better suited to wheeling and dealing in a second- hand car showroom, or on a market stall. Right, I've given you the run down, so what's the plan?
China and me meeting over a plate of scoff in a greasy spoon? And her in those shoes?! As if! Theland, where is your dignity?! (I still don't understand how she managed to beat me across the finishing line in those shoes, you know. Amazing!).
Theland - don't diet. Big mistake. Try to eat healthily instead. Don't eat processed foods, cut out fat, sugar, salt (always check the labels), and eat little bread. That way it becomes a lifestyle, rather than a punishment - and you can still have the odd Mars Bar if you fancy it.
I was rather worried, Theland, but all is well, and thank you for asking.
China and me meeting over a plate of scoff in a greasy spoon? And her in those shoes?! As if! Theland, where is your dignity?! (I still don't understand how she managed to beat me across the finishing line in those shoes, you know. Amazing!).
Theland - don't diet. Big mistake. Try to eat healthily instead. Don't eat processed foods, cut out fat, sugar, salt (always check the labels), and eat little bread. That way it becomes a lifestyle, rather than a punishment - and you can still have the odd Mars Bar if you fancy it.
I was rather worried, Theland, but all is well, and thank you for asking.
I still haven't got the brain to read your link, but hopefully I will tomorrow. It's been a busy day - and to cap it all, my husband is out to dinner in London tonight and cannot get home because the trains (just for a change) are a disaster zone, so I've spent the time I would have spent watching Greys Anatomy finding him a hotel - no easy task when a million others are looking for accommodation too! He has no fresh clothes with him, so he'll have to buy a new shirt and tie for tomorrow - and some socks and knickers! What a life. He's so often severely delayed - but when this happens, it's just ridiculous!! And he pays thousands of pounds a year for the privilege! Anyway, I saw the end of the programme, and it finished on a happy note. Two proposals of marriage - but of course, no answers. Tune in next week for the next thrilling episode!!
I'm waffling - sorry everyone. Time for bed. Night, night - and you know what I wish for you all. x
I'm waffling - sorry everyone. Time for bed. Night, night - and you know what I wish for you all. x
Sorry for the hold up China.
The thumbscrew on this dudes jack appears to be threaded inside and out giving him a multiple mechanical advantage for achieving erection.
Aren�t machines sexy?
The thumbscrew on this dudes jack appears to be threaded inside and out giving him a multiple mechanical advantage for achieving erection.
Aren�t machines sexy?
Reason is indeed the highest calling of the human species. Without reason, philosophy becomes fantasy. Mibs says The human spirit does not transcend reality, and that's true, but if life's experience teaches us that the human spirit survives the demise of the body, even though that experience may not be shared, then that is reality. If a rational, intelligent person, uninfluenced by religious dogma, tells you that they have physical experience of that which you, personally, consider to be impossible (despite having no evidence to prove it is impossible) is it reasonable to believe them?
We experience 'spiritual' emotions which some attribute to the reality of the existence of God, but those emotions - in reality - are produced primarily as a result of the influence of those around us, which encourages us to believe that there is a benign and loving someone, or something, that will shoulder life's burdens for us - and exonerate us from deeds that we know, morally, to be misdeeds. In effect, belief in religious philosophy emanates from an unwillingness to take responsibility for oneself. We want to believe that we can escape what some perceive as the ultimate horror - death - but without experience, those beliefs do not emanate from reason - they emanate from emotion - and a fearful inability to meet life head on, and to live it to the full.
The link speaks of self-centredness and self-interest, and ultimately this is what religion amounts to. It is the hope (and it is a desperate hope) that those who believe are, among all men, unique - but reason tells us that just isn't so.
We experience 'spiritual' emotions which some attribute to the reality of the existence of God, but those emotions - in reality - are produced primarily as a result of the influence of those around us, which encourages us to believe that there is a benign and loving someone, or something, that will shoulder life's burdens for us - and exonerate us from deeds that we know, morally, to be misdeeds. In effect, belief in religious philosophy emanates from an unwillingness to take responsibility for oneself. We want to believe that we can escape what some perceive as the ultimate horror - death - but without experience, those beliefs do not emanate from reason - they emanate from emotion - and a fearful inability to meet life head on, and to live it to the full.
The link speaks of self-centredness and self-interest, and ultimately this is what religion amounts to. It is the hope (and it is a desperate hope) that those who believe are, among all men, unique - but reason tells us that just isn't so.
Naomi, first of all I am delighted that regarding your concern for your loved one, all is well.
Husband and trains? Missed the last train or cancellation?
If cancellation, can't train co pick up the hotel bill, as he has a pre-paid ticket?
The chairman - Chinas' advice is needed to deal with the peck on the cheek!
I suspect the words "kick" and "goolies" will feature large in her instructions.
Leave us to think a bit more on the long term demise of his chairmanship, although Chinas' original plan to give him plenty of rope, and let him hang himself via the meticulous minutes, sounds like a winner to me.
Oh yes, the intelligence thread. Par for the course that I should get a ticking off from Waldo, and a large slice of patronisation.
It must get tedious for him always being right.
What is beyond reason to some is not beyond reason to me, ie my belief in a spiritual dimension, (for starters).
Hawking thinks it entirely reasonable that something came out of nothing - I don't.
When I get up the courage to return, I'll go back into the fray and say my piece, but not yet, not today.
I took my son into hospital today for his long overdue operation, which is only a minor one, and hopefully he should be home later on today.
I had an e mail from a friend suggesting that I should not venture out today, Friday 13th. My, "luck," is well known apparently.
Husband and trains? Missed the last train or cancellation?
If cancellation, can't train co pick up the hotel bill, as he has a pre-paid ticket?
The chairman - Chinas' advice is needed to deal with the peck on the cheek!
I suspect the words "kick" and "goolies" will feature large in her instructions.
Leave us to think a bit more on the long term demise of his chairmanship, although Chinas' original plan to give him plenty of rope, and let him hang himself via the meticulous minutes, sounds like a winner to me.
Oh yes, the intelligence thread. Par for the course that I should get a ticking off from Waldo, and a large slice of patronisation.
It must get tedious for him always being right.
What is beyond reason to some is not beyond reason to me, ie my belief in a spiritual dimension, (for starters).
Hawking thinks it entirely reasonable that something came out of nothing - I don't.
When I get up the courage to return, I'll go back into the fray and say my piece, but not yet, not today.
I took my son into hospital today for his long overdue operation, which is only a minor one, and hopefully he should be home later on today.
I had an e mail from a friend suggesting that I should not venture out today, Friday 13th. My, "luck," is well known apparently.
Mibs - What fast hands. So much I could say, not one sentence in good taste so I'll refrain. Speaking of sexy machines, I watched a programe about objectifiles last week... Wow. That was an eye opener. As well as a leg crosser.
Naomi - Kisses you on the cheek? Well if you can bear it, turn your face round when he's about to do it so he gets you squarely on the lips in front of everybody and then act appropriately shocked and disgusted (shouldn't be hard) but also dignified (no squealing). The resulting mortification he'll suffer in front of everyone will be of comfort to you and go towards making him a figure of ridicule and help with his demise.
Theland - If you have the person spec for the admin job, then put the jist of it on here and I'll help you with stuff for the interview.
As to the reason/religion, I think I've given my opinion before and I've yet to adjust my position on my soap box so I'll refrain from commenting right now. Well not unless it gets really juicy.
Naomi - Kisses you on the cheek? Well if you can bear it, turn your face round when he's about to do it so he gets you squarely on the lips in front of everybody and then act appropriately shocked and disgusted (shouldn't be hard) but also dignified (no squealing). The resulting mortification he'll suffer in front of everyone will be of comfort to you and go towards making him a figure of ridicule and help with his demise.
Theland - If you have the person spec for the admin job, then put the jist of it on here and I'll help you with stuff for the interview.
As to the reason/religion, I think I've given my opinion before and I've yet to adjust my position on my soap box so I'll refrain from commenting right now. Well not unless it gets really juicy.
Camps Solicitors Birkenhead.
Due to increased volumes of work, Camps are looking for part time Legal Administrators to work evenings in their 1st Response Team.
Applicants will need an understanding of personal injury law along with excellent telephone manners, keyboard and IT skills. Salary negotiable.
Send CV and covering letter to ..........
Due to increased volumes of work, Camps are looking for part time Legal Administrators to work evenings in their 1st Response Team.
Applicants will need an understanding of personal injury law along with excellent telephone manners, keyboard and IT skills. Salary negotiable.
Send CV and covering letter to ..........
What does your CV say?
Do you know anything about personal injury law? What do you know? Any experience of being of that side of it?
Rather than just excellent telephone manner, have you worked in a role that required high communication skills? Can you think of a scenario where you had to use them? What would you do in a situation where a client was angry or upset?
What IT packages have you used? Have you dealt with excel databases? Do you have experience with email and word? Have you used in-house databases before? Do you know your typing speed? (You can do free tests online to find that if you don't).
I'm not actually asking for answers to these questions by the way, just jogging the old grey matter. That's ^^^ all the sort of stuff they're likely to expect your CV to cover and will probably be looking to see you have during the interview.
Other favourites in interviews are scenarios and how you would act, what key features you think are necessary to do the role, why you want the job and in your answers you should demonstrate your ability to prioritise and organise.
Do you know anything about personal injury law? What do you know? Any experience of being of that side of it?
Rather than just excellent telephone manner, have you worked in a role that required high communication skills? Can you think of a scenario where you had to use them? What would you do in a situation where a client was angry or upset?
What IT packages have you used? Have you dealt with excel databases? Do you have experience with email and word? Have you used in-house databases before? Do you know your typing speed? (You can do free tests online to find that if you don't).
I'm not actually asking for answers to these questions by the way, just jogging the old grey matter. That's ^^^ all the sort of stuff they're likely to expect your CV to cover and will probably be looking to see you have during the interview.
Other favourites in interviews are scenarios and how you would act, what key features you think are necessary to do the role, why you want the job and in your answers you should demonstrate your ability to prioritise and organise.
Alas, my CV is all to do with engineering. In the covering letter I said I was OK with e mail and Word, but I know nothing of Excel or spreadsheets, never needed them in the past.
I used to use a SAP system called Globe when in my last job, but it has always been on a need to know basis. If I need to know it, I'll learn it.
Maybe I'm being too ambitious.
I was a trade union official years ago, but have always been active in the union, and have helped people out before.
I did prepare a personal injury case for a friend, in reality I did all of the donkey work for the solicitor, who, having read his letters, didn't have a clue, and it looked like the case would be lost. I challenged the evidence several times, and the case was won, out of court settlement.
I used to use a SAP system called Globe when in my last job, but it has always been on a need to know basis. If I need to know it, I'll learn it.
Maybe I'm being too ambitious.
I was a trade union official years ago, but have always been active in the union, and have helped people out before.
I did prepare a personal injury case for a friend, in reality I did all of the donkey work for the solicitor, who, having read his letters, didn't have a clue, and it looked like the case would be lost. I challenged the evidence several times, and the case was won, out of court settlement.
Naomi, Regarding your last post, especially the question in context: A first glance it appears you've thrown me a bone I might actually be able to sink my teeth into; a rare treat for me of late that I would like to chew over carefully. I am positively salivating over this opportunity to clear away the cobwebs that have formed around some of my most treasured files and have opened a new word document I am devoting exclusively to preparing a response.
My intent is not to tease but I don�t want to risk a quick response where careful thought is warranted and the steaks(sic) are high in my estimation. Just wanted you to know I am on the case and that as the process of living affords me a chance to steal some choice moments I fully intend to prepare an answer I hope will meat(sic) the challenge you�ve provided.
How we know what we know and what we should or should not believe are at the bedrock of philosophy and I may need to drain the river for a clearer view.
Copys/pastes Naomi�s submission into word document for a thorough examination.
My intent is not to tease but I don�t want to risk a quick response where careful thought is warranted and the steaks(sic) are high in my estimation. Just wanted you to know I am on the case and that as the process of living affords me a chance to steal some choice moments I fully intend to prepare an answer I hope will meat(sic) the challenge you�ve provided.
How we know what we know and what we should or should not believe are at the bedrock of philosophy and I may need to drain the river for a clearer view.
Copys/pastes Naomi�s submission into word document for a thorough examination.
Quite right, mibs. I'll be most interested in your thoughts, and I too hope you'll 'meat' the challenge I've provided. Bon appetite!
Theland and China, my apologies. I'm really busy, but I'll try to get back later to respond to you. (But in the meantime, if you'd like to join Mibs and me for supper, then please do. Theland, please note, no Indiana Jones hats - black tie only!).
Theland and China, my apologies. I'm really busy, but I'll try to get back later to respond to you. (But in the meantime, if you'd like to join Mibs and me for supper, then please do. Theland, please note, no Indiana Jones hats - black tie only!).
Theland, no he didn't miss the last train. There were no trains. Par for the course on that line lately!
I love the 'kick' and 'goolies' solution.
I still haven't the brain to tackle the intelligence thread, and by the time I do, it will probably all be over.
This job interview. I know China has asked some relevant questions, but First Response Team? Is it for work in a call centre? It seems odd that someone with your background would be interviewed for a job so totally unrelated, so I can only imagine it's something like that., in which case you have nothing to worry about. All you need is to be able to communicate politely - and take messages.
Excuse me, Theland, dear, but your luck is only known because you think you are unlucky and tell people so. Bad thought process, and bad habit - and one you have to kick. I hope your son is ok though.
China, you know what they say, 'Busy hands are happy hands'. It's no surprise that Mibs is grinning like a Cheshire Cat!
As for the kissing plan, our non-revered Chairman is so thick-skinned, he'd laugh, and think I was joking! I have ridiculed him relentlessly today. Told him he's a big head, and that no one is interested in his bragging, and I even reminded him that as chairman he should be a leader, but it all runs off him. Never mind. Pride comes before a fall.
Mibs is on the case of the religion/reason thing, and I expect - nay demand - that very shortly the juices will be flowing, so watch this space China, and jump in at the first opportunity. You too, Theland.
Well, bedtime, and another busy day ahead. I'm not sure I'll be able to pop in at all tomorrow, but if not, I'll speak to you on Sunday. Sweet dreams. x
I love the 'kick' and 'goolies' solution.
I still haven't the brain to tackle the intelligence thread, and by the time I do, it will probably all be over.
This job interview. I know China has asked some relevant questions, but First Response Team? Is it for work in a call centre? It seems odd that someone with your background would be interviewed for a job so totally unrelated, so I can only imagine it's something like that., in which case you have nothing to worry about. All you need is to be able to communicate politely - and take messages.
Excuse me, Theland, dear, but your luck is only known because you think you are unlucky and tell people so. Bad thought process, and bad habit - and one you have to kick. I hope your son is ok though.
China, you know what they say, 'Busy hands are happy hands'. It's no surprise that Mibs is grinning like a Cheshire Cat!
As for the kissing plan, our non-revered Chairman is so thick-skinned, he'd laugh, and think I was joking! I have ridiculed him relentlessly today. Told him he's a big head, and that no one is interested in his bragging, and I even reminded him that as chairman he should be a leader, but it all runs off him. Never mind. Pride comes before a fall.
Mibs is on the case of the religion/reason thing, and I expect - nay demand - that very shortly the juices will be flowing, so watch this space China, and jump in at the first opportunity. You too, Theland.
Well, bedtime, and another busy day ahead. I'm not sure I'll be able to pop in at all tomorrow, but if not, I'll speak to you on Sunday. Sweet dreams. x
I'm sorry Naomi but I'm not even remotely interested in the religion/reason debate so I doubt I'll be jumping in any time soon. It's been done to death. And as someone once said, to try and reason with those who won't listen anyway, is a pointless waste of my time.... Can you guess who it is yet?!
Just give the chairman my number, I'll take him out, we'll talk, no blood shed and I'll have him back to you almost as good as new by monday.
Just give the chairman my number, I'll take him out, we'll talk, no blood shed and I'll have him back to you almost as good as new by monday.
Mibs carefully analyses Naomi's question seeking the shortest most logical path to take.
I hope I am not muddying the waters by throwing in my two pennyworth of reason?
Well here goes.
We all seem to have in common this assertion that our reality is based on our experiences of this reality.
But, the first question to answer is surely, do we each have a unique reality, or is our reality a shared experience?
Maybe there are many common points of reference in our various realities, but some points that are only shared by a smaller number of the population, and some points that are indeed unique and not shared with anybody.
If this is the case, how can any one of us judge what is real and not real to another, if that other persons reality is perfectly reasonable to them?
Is it not arrogant of me if I assert that all that I experience must be experienced universally, and what is lacking in my experiences must also be lacking universally.
Until there is some agreement on this, to give some form of foundation to build on, then we are playing different games, to different rules, at different venues, and we will be hard pushed to find any commonality of language and must simply accept that we are passing each other by like ships in the night.
It would have been nice to finish off this little speech with a bit of Latin, like a garnish, but as I know very little Latin, it will remain garnish free. (Alas ....... )
Well here goes.
We all seem to have in common this assertion that our reality is based on our experiences of this reality.
But, the first question to answer is surely, do we each have a unique reality, or is our reality a shared experience?
Maybe there are many common points of reference in our various realities, but some points that are only shared by a smaller number of the population, and some points that are indeed unique and not shared with anybody.
If this is the case, how can any one of us judge what is real and not real to another, if that other persons reality is perfectly reasonable to them?
Is it not arrogant of me if I assert that all that I experience must be experienced universally, and what is lacking in my experiences must also be lacking universally.
Until there is some agreement on this, to give some form of foundation to build on, then we are playing different games, to different rules, at different venues, and we will be hard pushed to find any commonality of language and must simply accept that we are passing each other by like ships in the night.
It would have been nice to finish off this little speech with a bit of Latin, like a garnish, but as I know very little Latin, it will remain garnish free. (Alas ....... )
Theland (& Naomi) I would like to submit for your appraisal a more distinct definition of reality in the interest of agreement on the meaning of terms in the hope that we might thereby be able to communicate in the same language.
There is only one reality and it is not yours mine or anyone else�s. We sense it through similar organs and our individual perceptions of it are such that we can agree on a remarkably vast number of its self-evident properties; colours, textures, shapes, sounds; and we share a vast number of similar experiences observing it, acting in it and reacting to it.
Where we (all of us humankind) typically start to exhibit a departure in our assessments of this shared reality is in our interpretations of the self-evident, the given, our perceptions. When I use the term perceptions I for the most part am referring to those normally associated with a person possessing healthy organs and relatively sound mind. Chemically altered states of conscious excluded.
Another important distinction is to differentiate between the natural and the 'manmade', especially that which is the result of making and acting on a choice. Since what is real and what a particular individual believes to be real are not necessarily (if rarely) the same, this distinction is very important when considering for the sake of coming to an agreement that's fair and equitable the actual nature of this world we live in and how we can mutually benefit by living together cooperatively while complying with the unyielding laws that govern reality.
Are these definitions satisfactory to you? I am amenable to further refinement and clarification of these definitions within reason if you wish to communicate with someone who seeks mutual understanding.
(more . . .)
There is only one reality and it is not yours mine or anyone else�s. We sense it through similar organs and our individual perceptions of it are such that we can agree on a remarkably vast number of its self-evident properties; colours, textures, shapes, sounds; and we share a vast number of similar experiences observing it, acting in it and reacting to it.
Where we (all of us humankind) typically start to exhibit a departure in our assessments of this shared reality is in our interpretations of the self-evident, the given, our perceptions. When I use the term perceptions I for the most part am referring to those normally associated with a person possessing healthy organs and relatively sound mind. Chemically altered states of conscious excluded.
Another important distinction is to differentiate between the natural and the 'manmade', especially that which is the result of making and acting on a choice. Since what is real and what a particular individual believes to be real are not necessarily (if rarely) the same, this distinction is very important when considering for the sake of coming to an agreement that's fair and equitable the actual nature of this world we live in and how we can mutually benefit by living together cooperatively while complying with the unyielding laws that govern reality.
Are these definitions satisfactory to you? I am amenable to further refinement and clarification of these definitions within reason if you wish to communicate with someone who seeks mutual understanding.
(more . . .)
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