Andrew Mitchell

[Just-Jude]

Police officers found to be lying yet again! If they're willing to stitch up a senior Tory MP, what chance have ordinary members of the public got?

With the Met now so corrupt and seeing itself as above the law, does anyone still think it's fit for purpose?

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24536328

[FredPuli43]

Even Mitchell himself accepts that he was annoyed. You and I might ask "What at?". So what if some jobsworth thought the man should push his bike through a pedestrian exit rather than have a vehicle exit opened especially for this cyclist ? And that, all agree, was the fount of this spat. Now, what kind of man makes a fuss about that? Is it someone who has self-importance ? Or is it someone who is easy going, who has been brought up to think that such irritants, if they even amount to that, are part of life and they should not expect special treatment ? Someone who has been to a , probably minor, public school where they learn a bit of Latin, but still feel insecure and threatened by people they think inferior?

Well, one of them is the kind who would call his adversary a pleb ! For all his faults, Boris Johnson is not in that category (can you imagine him saying it ?), but Andrew Mitchell is

[Peter Pedant]

Andrew M has made no cimplaint which is why alot of this is flapping in the breeze,

and Bo Jo obediently wheels his bike thro the pedestrians flap

[ludwig]

Fred, it's nothing to do with whether Andrew Mitchell is an arrogant public school t1t or not. There's actually no law against that.

It's now become about police corruption. Predictably I see they've played the old 'insufficient evidence' card on this, which means most of the witnesses were police, and they're all sticking to the agreed story.

I've no idea how this will end, but I hope the liars are found out and punished.

[FredPuli43]

Ludwig, I was simply dealing with the use od the word 'plebs', no more. That the police agree a story is known.. That it frequently departs from the truth is also known. . I have known officers recite the same account, word for word, from their notebooks and then tell me that they wrote them separately. Once one telling me, in evidence, that she called the other officer 'she'in her notebook when she was the she and the other officer was a he, did not dissuade the witness from saying she hadn't copied her notes from the male officer's notebook! And the same spelling mistakes, word order and much else is always mysteriously achieved without any copying !

[mikey4444]

ludwig has it right here. The use of the P word really doesn't matter any more. Its about police corruption, pure and simple. They have been caught out, but instead of coming clean, they continue to make things worse for themselves. The old adage that when you are in a hole, its wise to stop digging seems to have passed our brave boys in blue by.

The result of this and other police corruption, in the past or yet to come, will mean that next time an Officer stands up in court, he is less likely to be believed. That cannot be right.

Its something when a Tory Home Secretary thinks that the Police are wrong. Teresa May is nobodys fool and she certainly hasn't been taken in my this fiasco.

[mikey4444]

Now Dave has added his voice to the debate. It seems that everybody thinks the Police have been lying and that they should apologise. Well, nearly everyone. There is one group of people that don't agree, but I can't remember who ?

I've just remembered...of course, its the Police !

Who'd have thought it !

[ChillDoubt]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24560235

Plod digging themselves in deeper.

If they were going for damage limitation it's blown up in their faces and I expect resignations shortly.

[Hypognosis]

So, how much public money (not to mention our time reading/watching/listening to repeated news reports about a 20-second 'incident') would have been saved if those coppers had just opened the gate, like he asked?

And he did ask. No idea if he asked politely but he asked and they -chose- to make a big thing about it.

[ChillDoubt]

Jeezus Aitch, how much longer?:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-24761216