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Are there any medical / underlying health conditions , to stop someone taking the vaccine ?
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There is no data out there Bazile to answer your last question with any certainty. The immunologists, virologists, epidemiologists and other assorted ologists I have at work are sceptical about some peer reviewed published papers about this right now. I have my own opinion on the matter but it may turn out that I'm mistaken.
From a practical point of view, it's as well to remember that you can catch covid between the first and second jab with either of the vaccines which is why you'll be advised to continue with mask wearing, social distancing and good hygiene practice at the vaccination centre. No vaccine is 100% effective in everyone.
The big question here then is if you did become covid symptomatic after your jab, where did it come from? Did you go into the vaccination centre with covid but were asymptomatic? Did you catch it after the first jab from someone you came into contact with?
Those two questions are food for thought but believe me, they are far from being the only questions regarding this virus,that we are still looking in to.
From a practical point of view, it's as well to remember that you can catch covid between the first and second jab with either of the vaccines which is why you'll be advised to continue with mask wearing, social distancing and good hygiene practice at the vaccination centre. No vaccine is 100% effective in everyone.
The big question here then is if you did become covid symptomatic after your jab, where did it come from? Did you go into the vaccination centre with covid but were asymptomatic? Did you catch it after the first jab from someone you came into contact with?
Those two questions are food for thought but believe me, they are far from being the only questions regarding this virus,that we are still looking in to.
I think the best way of answering this question is that you'll probably never know what the consequences are if it happens to you. Will you have more severe symptoms if you have the jab when you're covid asymptomatic? Maybe. But then again, some people are predisposed to having more severe symptoms or infection duration anyway from covid . Some of the systemic symptoms such as headache, fever in subsequent days could be caused by the vaccine in these circumstances but on the other hand, you could be one of those people who have no side effects from vaccination, so all the symptoms would be down to the covid.
Because of all this, it's really only a concern for the boffins right now and I wouldn't worry about it. If it was of any concern, you'd have heard someone else ask the question by now. Remember the aim of the vaccination programme is to drastically reduce the symptoms should you get covid and keep you out of hospital in the process. It's doing that big time.
Because of all this, it's really only a concern for the boffins right now and I wouldn't worry about it. If it was of any concern, you'd have heard someone else ask the question by now. Remember the aim of the vaccination programme is to drastically reduce the symptoms should you get covid and keep you out of hospital in the process. It's doing that big time.
// He wants to know what would happen to someone who had symptomless Covid and then had the vaccine.//
and no one knows?
I think we do - - - the experiment has been done
nothing
you mean amongst 20 m vaccas - no one has had 'it' whilst being vaccinated. of course they have
and what happened ? well we know nothing - - nil result - nothing happened. No deaths, no heads exploding, no dead babies.
rien
we now have a very very large data base to play around with
(NHS) and we are the only ones. no money in it for mega-pharma so no-one else has done it
carrier status, - we dont know - they are looking at this - that is: if you are a carrier what happens after the vacc. is being looked at. You swabby swabby on day 1, inject and reswab the same group at whenever day 10 and see what is positive. I am pretty sure this is being done ( as we speak) BUT even now we know from the precipitate fall in new cases, that it isnt a problem
I am not a great lover of "we just dont know"
You look at the natural history of what happens in the first ten days after vacca - for that is where the carry-overs dwell and what happens to them
Nothing - protection begins at 10 d according to published data.
up to then the natural history continues as in unvaccinated persons [in the published case series]
After 14 m tries you really can say the data is out there - we just have to look for it
If prof is reading this I wd be obliged to hear where the idea that vacca leads to carrier status comes from?
The only case series I can find is polio 1959 - They ring vaccinated a household with one polio case . They then found there was still wild type excretion but that was not a surprise as there was one case with polio still there.
and no one knows?
I think we do - - - the experiment has been done
nothing
you mean amongst 20 m vaccas - no one has had 'it' whilst being vaccinated. of course they have
and what happened ? well we know nothing - - nil result - nothing happened. No deaths, no heads exploding, no dead babies.
rien
we now have a very very large data base to play around with
(NHS) and we are the only ones. no money in it for mega-pharma so no-one else has done it
carrier status, - we dont know - they are looking at this - that is: if you are a carrier what happens after the vacc. is being looked at. You swabby swabby on day 1, inject and reswab the same group at whenever day 10 and see what is positive. I am pretty sure this is being done ( as we speak) BUT even now we know from the precipitate fall in new cases, that it isnt a problem
I am not a great lover of "we just dont know"
You look at the natural history of what happens in the first ten days after vacca - for that is where the carry-overs dwell and what happens to them
Nothing - protection begins at 10 d according to published data.
up to then the natural history continues as in unvaccinated persons [in the published case series]
After 14 m tries you really can say the data is out there - we just have to look for it
If prof is reading this I wd be obliged to hear where the idea that vacca leads to carrier status comes from?
The only case series I can find is polio 1959 - They ring vaccinated a household with one polio case . They then found there was still wild type excretion but that was not a surprise as there was one case with polio still there.
PP, I'll keep this simple.
Despite your assertions in the first two paragraphs of your post above, we cannot, and I repeat, cannot be positive about this. It is incorrect to suggest that because vaccinees have not suffered from exploding heads in the manner of "Theme Hospital", that we can assume that "nothing" happens. We don't know and clinical research and monitoring into this will go on. This is absolutely necessary not only for contemporary research but for future variants such as VUI 202102/04. You seem to desire to imply that we are at the end of the road on this matter and have concluded all we can conclude. We are not. Do you really want me to discuss previous fatalities and injuries as a consequence of "bad pharma"?
At no point have I said that we've never encountered the said situation amongst the 20m vaccinees. Those are your words not mine. I'm actually monitoring tonight a far greater figure than that. Why? Because like all scientific projects of this nature, we have networked with other countries. I will take the opportunity to point out that in addition to the AZ and Pfizer vaccine, we're monitoring the J & J, Sputnik V, Moderna and Sinopharm vaccines. Why? That I can't disclose.
Talking about disclosure, you know where I work. It follows that you know something of the protocol in this CAT-4 facility. However, you are not au fait with protocol in this day and age and I have no desire to correct you over these matters as AB is not the place. Besides, you know the rules applicable to such a facility either through personal knowledge and/or through your residence in the Salisbury area.
Swabby swabby is of no use to us here. It's a bit more technical than that and there were issues over technical aspects of it caused not least by an error that was made in the early stages of the response to the virus by certain other individuals. It led to an abandonment of some research. It was downright stupid in hindsight but its not for me to discuss here. Wait for my book "My fight against Covid at the Sharp End" to come out some time in the future.
I'm glad that your not a lover of "we just don't know". That's the scientist in you. I'll let you into something all my 116 staff know: I'm not a lover of it either. That's why I do what I do and that's the scientist in me. However my responsibility right now is to the people that govern this country, the people that I see walking the street and the good people on AB. I've been provided with Carte Blanche and in the words of the song, you'll excuse me if I do it "My Way".
You of all people should know that I've not picked up the alphabet of letters after my name for a few bob in the local market. Nevertheless, others consider me deserving of them and like it or not, I wouldn't have the seniority I do without them or the other two I've not disclosed because they would identify me. I just get on with my job.
You're mistaken over the 1959 polio incident, but I'll decline from pointing out other cases. Look back as well as forward.
I suppose on thinking about I could explain away all you've posted here to your satisfaction in front of you by inviting you to my facility laboratories but you and I know that is not possible. Besides BSL 4 labs aren't pleasant to work in and neither are positive pressure, air supplied full body suits along with decontamination protocols. The things I do for ....
Despite your assertions in the first two paragraphs of your post above, we cannot, and I repeat, cannot be positive about this. It is incorrect to suggest that because vaccinees have not suffered from exploding heads in the manner of "Theme Hospital", that we can assume that "nothing" happens. We don't know and clinical research and monitoring into this will go on. This is absolutely necessary not only for contemporary research but for future variants such as VUI 202102/04. You seem to desire to imply that we are at the end of the road on this matter and have concluded all we can conclude. We are not. Do you really want me to discuss previous fatalities and injuries as a consequence of "bad pharma"?
At no point have I said that we've never encountered the said situation amongst the 20m vaccinees. Those are your words not mine. I'm actually monitoring tonight a far greater figure than that. Why? Because like all scientific projects of this nature, we have networked with other countries. I will take the opportunity to point out that in addition to the AZ and Pfizer vaccine, we're monitoring the J & J, Sputnik V, Moderna and Sinopharm vaccines. Why? That I can't disclose.
Talking about disclosure, you know where I work. It follows that you know something of the protocol in this CAT-4 facility. However, you are not au fait with protocol in this day and age and I have no desire to correct you over these matters as AB is not the place. Besides, you know the rules applicable to such a facility either through personal knowledge and/or through your residence in the Salisbury area.
Swabby swabby is of no use to us here. It's a bit more technical than that and there were issues over technical aspects of it caused not least by an error that was made in the early stages of the response to the virus by certain other individuals. It led to an abandonment of some research. It was downright stupid in hindsight but its not for me to discuss here. Wait for my book "My fight against Covid at the Sharp End" to come out some time in the future.
I'm glad that your not a lover of "we just don't know". That's the scientist in you. I'll let you into something all my 116 staff know: I'm not a lover of it either. That's why I do what I do and that's the scientist in me. However my responsibility right now is to the people that govern this country, the people that I see walking the street and the good people on AB. I've been provided with Carte Blanche and in the words of the song, you'll excuse me if I do it "My Way".
You of all people should know that I've not picked up the alphabet of letters after my name for a few bob in the local market. Nevertheless, others consider me deserving of them and like it or not, I wouldn't have the seniority I do without them or the other two I've not disclosed because they would identify me. I just get on with my job.
You're mistaken over the 1959 polio incident, but I'll decline from pointing out other cases. Look back as well as forward.
I suppose on thinking about I could explain away all you've posted here to your satisfaction in front of you by inviting you to my facility laboratories but you and I know that is not possible. Besides BSL 4 labs aren't pleasant to work in and neither are positive pressure, air supplied full body suits along with decontamination protocols. The things I do for ....
The Manaus variant has been shown to partially evade antibodies produced as a result of previous covid infection and vaccination Lankeela. The variant was found to be 2.2 times more transmissable than other lineages.
I've a variant that's going through a genome sequencer this weekend and the data so far points to it being 3.1 times more transmissable than the endemic variants in the UK. I'll be given the full data at noon tomorrow.
Vaccines need modifying to offer immunity from selective variants as they appear. Any vaccine efficacy depends on which variant(s) they are designed to tackle.
I've a variant that's going through a genome sequencer this weekend and the data so far points to it being 3.1 times more transmissable than the endemic variants in the UK. I'll be given the full data at noon tomorrow.
Vaccines need modifying to offer immunity from selective variants as they appear. Any vaccine efficacy depends on which variant(s) they are designed to tackle.
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