Living dayligthts?

[warpig1]

Ok, who had the living daylights beat out of them as a kid? Not suggesting that this is the best form of parenting but still remember it!

[warpig1]

Sorry guys, been out to lunch and had a few glasses of wine!!!! Just to elaborate, I do recall My mum grabbing me by the hair and banging my head off the wall, that is where I am coming from. Do not mean to offend any one but, there you go, this was my younger years. Think I am still a reasonably decent person.!! I know that all our experiences are different and don't mean to set the 'cat among the pigeons', sorry if I have.

warpig1

[noxlumos]

Interesting debate I thought actually warpig, and Pink I'll always have a Tea love, mug though 'cause I'm common lol.

[ummmm]

I agree Nox. It's like looking at rotten.com. At first it makes you sick but before you know it your looking at the most horrific pictures without flinching.

[warpig1]

Well Nox, I know you are originally from over 'here', not that that means diddly squat, is this something intrinsic to 'here', just a question?

[ummmm]

I understand where you're coming from Wardy

[noxlumos]

Yeah I'm all for having a go at the French any day of the week wardy lol.
Actually you know warpig I once touched on this subject with RATTER that violence is far more the norm in the North of Ireland than perhaps it is in mainland England. I said something which he was really shocked about and he pulled me up on it, and I was trying to explain that that was the way my culture spoke and percieved things and it really wouldn't be thought of as unusual where I come from.
Whereabouts exactly are you from?

[warpig1]

Nox, I am in Belfast, born and bred. Hope I am wrong in thinking that this is a regional thing. Please dont take me out of context, I know that this goes 'on' all over, it is just that apparently in the environment that I grew up in this was acceptable, and this was a middle class society, which I must point out counts for nothing. Please don't think of me as a snob, I am not, this is just an observation I have had and wondered what everyones opinions was.

[ummmm]

It is different in Ireland than it is in England. North, I don't know about so much but I have plenty of stories from friends and family.

It makes the hoodies look like gents!

[4getmenot]

Just got back from lunch and I agree with Ummmm. and you're right pink what a good debate and no rows, I think we have all been on here long enough to know now that if a question is asked people have to realise everyone has different views :-)

[PinkFizz]

Mugs of tea all round then.

Just out ot interest, what wouls you Nox,and the rest do,if say you were out with your partner and a spotty 11 year old runs up,punches your lady in the face,grabs her purse and runs off??

[ummmm]

Ahhhh...Thank you 4getmenot. I think it's the first time anyone has agreed with me.

In my life

[PinkFizz]

god,excuse spelling in that post - was trying to answer fone at same time!!

[noxlumos]

I actually can't think of a kid I knew growing up who didn't get "belted". I was born in 1960 into a Catholic,working class area, so we're talking a fair time ago now, but even when my kids were born 1980's onwards in was still pretty much the norm for alot of people I think. My wife on the other hand, can remember odd people being smacked but said it was really unusual. She was born in England in 1968 into an upper middle class Jewish family and was never hit herself. I've tried to see if I can find any statistics to back up our theory, but on such a topic statistics are likely to be inaccurate anyway, as often even large scale abuse like mine is ignored or unrecognised. I told 2 people, a teacher and a Priest. The teacher told me not to say anything or I'd get "taken away" for making things up and the Priest told my father what I'd said, so I think any figures found might be very open to interpretation, as child abuse in the 60's didn't appear to be viewed as the problem it is now. When you think of what would be described as an archetypal Irish childhood as represented in literature, you do tend to get a bit of an "Angela's Ashes" syndrome going on don't you as well? It's an interesting thought, and one i'm going to look into more deeply.

[warpig1]

Two sugars please.

[4getmenot]

None for me I�m sweet enough :-)

[warpig1]

Nox, protestant from east Belfast originally, so it know no boundrys if you get my drift. Just think, the fact that my friend could be beaten with a blackthorn stick and I didn't think it odd speaks volumes.!

[ummmm]

My Dad didn't beat me. I put that down to the fact that he was the youngest of 14 and was spoilt. I'm glad I wasn't born to one of his elder brothers! I'm lucky I know. My mum was battered senseless. She's a strong women who wouldn't carry over the legacy of battered children.

I thank God for my parents. xxxxxxxxx

[warpig1]

ummmm, thank God she didn't carry it over. May be you were a good kiddie too.

[noxlumos]

I know child abuse crosses over any sectarian divide, people are essentially the same wherever you go.
I couldnt find any 1960's, 70's or 80's data but even now per 10,000 children in the north of Ireland 54 are in care compared to 48 in England and abuse wise 34 in NI to 27 in England, which big picturewise is reasonably significant, and from the last 5 years worth of data I've found the gap is closing downwards so N. Ireland seems to be reducing by a few % per year. Working on that theory if you work backwards at a similar rate, then it would have been widespread there during the 60's, 70's and to a lesser extent 80's. I'm still looking for contemporary figures though as this is supposition on my part.