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France's burka ban
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http://tinyurl.com/6gqmpsn
Well done the French for having the guts to introduce the 'burka ban', but it seems with a little trepidation.
/// Earlier, French police said they will be enforcing the country’s new burka ban "extremely cautiously" because of fears of provoking violence. ///
Belgium introduced a full ban last year, and a ban also looks likely in Holland, Spain and Switzerland.
Could Britain ever have the guts to do likewise?
Well done the French for having the guts to introduce the 'burka ban', but it seems with a little trepidation.
/// Earlier, French police said they will be enforcing the country’s new burka ban "extremely cautiously" because of fears of provoking violence. ///
Belgium introduced a full ban last year, and a ban also looks likely in Holland, Spain and Switzerland.
Could Britain ever have the guts to do likewise?
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are all these people citing Saudi Arabia as an example suggesting that what they are doing is correct in establishing a strict dress code? Are you saying we should be more like them?
I found the article posted earlier interesting, and it is oppressive and wrong to force women to wear burkas etc, but that should be addressed direct to those who are wearing it with a view to changing their opinion of it, banning it will only move the problem and build further hostility.
I found the article posted earlier interesting, and it is oppressive and wrong to force women to wear burkas etc, but that should be addressed direct to those who are wearing it with a view to changing their opinion of it, banning it will only move the problem and build further hostility.
Just looked up abeya 237SJ do you agree with what this person has to say
Abeya "Prison"
This has been in the news... I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it. I wear my abeya when I leave our compound to do occasional grocery shopping - which is about the ONLY shopping I do here [I had to wear it a week or two ago when I went downtown to try to get paint samples]. I don't consider it a "prison," but I certainly do not have a high regard for it, either, and refer to it as "the black garbage bag." It is a ridiculous article of clothing which women here are forced to wear due to constraints imposed upon them by a society of control seeking men whose lustful ogling demonstrably attests to their complete and utter lack of any self-restraint whatsoever.
Abeya "Prison"
This has been in the news... I didn't pay a whole lot of attention to it. I wear my abeya when I leave our compound to do occasional grocery shopping - which is about the ONLY shopping I do here [I had to wear it a week or two ago when I went downtown to try to get paint samples]. I don't consider it a "prison," but I certainly do not have a high regard for it, either, and refer to it as "the black garbage bag." It is a ridiculous article of clothing which women here are forced to wear due to constraints imposed upon them by a society of control seeking men whose lustful ogling demonstrably attests to their complete and utter lack of any self-restraint whatsoever.
andy-hughes you said, "When women are together, no veils are worn, if a man wishes to enter the classroom a bell is rung, and the ladies put on their veils - simple system, everyone is happy. That is cultural acceptance at work. " I have to object to the statement, "everyone is happy", how are you so sure in that belief? As a woman who has lived in the north of the UK for many years, in South East Asia for many years and now in London I can see that the niqab has actually become more prevalent in recent years, thirty years ago I never saw a niqab being worn in Oldham or Rochdale and now I can see them any day in West London. Here are some of Alibaih- Browns objections: Here is a list of my main objections:
1. While modesty is required of Muslim men and women and men are asked to "lower their gazes", there is no injunction to hide the hair, and the verses on coverings have different interpretations. The Prophet's wives were veiled to stop harassers and supplicants. Saudis use big money to push their fanatically anti-woman Islam in this country. Each niqab is one more win in that assault on hearts and minds.
2. Iranian, Afghan, Saudi and other Muslim women are beaten and tortured for the smallest sartorial transgression. European Muslims donning the niqab are giving succour to the oppressors in those countries.
3. They say it stops molestation and is a mark of respect. Oh yeah? So tell me why there are appalling levels of rape and violence in Muslim lands. And by implication do we, European women who don't cover, therefore deserve molestation?
4. It is a form of female apartheid, of selected segregation tacitly saying non-veiled women are pollutants. There is such a thing as society and we connect with our faces. A veiled female withholds herself from that contact and reads our faces, thus gaining power over the rest of us.
Please read her articlein the Independent: 17:45 Mon 11th Apr 2011
1. While modesty is required of Muslim men and women and men are asked to "lower their gazes", there is no injunction to hide the hair, and the verses on coverings have different interpretations. The Prophet's wives were veiled to stop harassers and supplicants. Saudis use big money to push their fanatically anti-woman Islam in this country. Each niqab is one more win in that assault on hearts and minds.
2. Iranian, Afghan, Saudi and other Muslim women are beaten and tortured for the smallest sartorial transgression. European Muslims donning the niqab are giving succour to the oppressors in those countries.
3. They say it stops molestation and is a mark of respect. Oh yeah? So tell me why there are appalling levels of rape and violence in Muslim lands. And by implication do we, European women who don't cover, therefore deserve molestation?
4. It is a form of female apartheid, of selected segregation tacitly saying non-veiled women are pollutants. There is such a thing as society and we connect with our faces. A veiled female withholds herself from that contact and reads our faces, thus gaining power over the rest of us.
Please read her articlein the Independent: 17:45 Mon 11th Apr 2011
I think i agree with what has been said, i personally feel very threatned in this day and age with someone covering their whole face...be it a burka, or a "hoodie"
However...aside from the face.....whatever....a burka is no different to me than someone wearing a long dress, or coat with a hood up and its a persons religion. However banning them will provoke violence, as much less has created violence i guess x
However...aside from the face.....whatever....a burka is no different to me than someone wearing a long dress, or coat with a hood up and its a persons religion. However banning them will provoke violence, as much less has created violence i guess x
All people should be free to wear whatever they please from absolutely nothing to being swathed from head to foot in a burka. I have no problem in anyone doing anything voluntarily, my issue occurs when people are forced into something they do not wish to do, be that by their religious maniac fathers, husbands and brothers ( if they are forced to wear the veil) to the state ( if they are forced not to).It's all equally appalling and imho it's a terrible decision when we legislate about what people can and can't wear.
tinkerbell23, the wearing of a niqab is not a religious requirement, it is cultural and belongs in the middle ages. Why are backward men so afraid that they can't keep their hands off a woman who might walk down the same street as them? It's an insult to men in the west that they are thought so depraved that they won't be able to resist these women unless they are covered up, it's a dreadful point of view, but one I heard articulated on the radio this morning.
Suspect - I have been gassing on the phone and have only just seen your question. Yes, I would agree with that person`s opinion on the abeya but I also agree with them in that I don`t have particularly strong feelngs about it. I know when I go to Saudi I have to chuck it on and I have the "when in Rome" feeling about it. There are rumours about how you shouldn`t have any hair showing around the scarf but I always seem to have hair showing and nobody is bothered. It is a ridiculous garment but I`m of the opinion that in Victorian times women wore long dresses and it was considered obscene to show the ankles. Don`t be fooled though. Some of those women in Saudi might be in an abeya but underneath they are dressed in Chanel.
e.crespo 'The complacency of some men has made me quite cross'. Has it now? Do you usually get cross with people who simply might not agree with you, and is that cross with both sexes or is it gender specific? If so then yours is exactly the kind of attitude I am talking about when I said that no-one should be able to force anyone else to do anything against their will - in either direction. Quite terrifying.
Britain will never ban the burka. Why would they? I can`t understand why anyone would want to ban it. The only reason I can think of is that people feel threatened. What is threatening about a woman with a veil over her face? A misunderstanding of foreign cultures is usually born out of ignorance. I have met many women wearing veils in my work over the years. Have I felt threatened by any of them? Have I heck?
