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Is It Racist To Show Concern Over This Fact?
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Should we be like any other country and that is proud of our heritage and our culture?
Surely we should be able to discuss this without any accusations of racism being banded about, I ask this because there was such a debate on this academic study on a radio phone-in last night.
Although a caller gave an educated argument showing concern at the fact that Briton will in the future cease to be a white nation, he was named called by the presenter, and then when he was off the air the bias presenter allowed mainly black persons on to welcome and rejoice the fact.
Why is it white persons are openly accused of 'speaking a load of rubbish', called idiots, racists etc, etc. by these left-wing presenters, yet when a black person phones in they are praised, never called names, and finally thanked for phoning the show with their valuable input?
Should we be like any other country and that is proud of our heritage and our culture?
Surely we should be able to discuss this without any accusations of racism being banded about, I ask this because there was such a debate on this academic study on a radio phone-in last night.
Although a caller gave an educated argument showing concern at the fact that Briton will in the future cease to be a white nation, he was named called by the presenter, and then when he was off the air the bias presenter allowed mainly black persons on to welcome and rejoice the fact.
Why is it white persons are openly accused of 'speaking a load of rubbish', called idiots, racists etc, etc. by these left-wing presenters, yet when a black person phones in they are praised, never called names, and finally thanked for phoning the show with their valuable input?
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The only difference is - you appear to live with fear and dread, and I do not, and since neither of us can change what will be - I prefer my lifestyle to yours, thanks.
17:13 Sat 04th May 2013
Again, it's a question of why you wish to remain White -- or exactly what will be leading to the change from mostly White to mostly not. It's going to be about intermarrying between races, of more mixed-race children, as well as just immigration. The former is presumably fairly desirbale, as it almost certainly represents people coming to this country and integrating properly, which is never to be feared. There are legitimate reasons to worry about immigration if those who come into this country never properly settle down. Example, the evident racial component in several large child sex-abuse rings that we have seen of late. That's a clear-cut case of immigration having some significant negative effects, if those coming in do not integrate into their new home.
But if this country becomes minority White because people of different races, for the most part, get on very well and intermarry, that is enriching and not to be feared. What are your thoughts on that aspect of the changing face of Britain?
But if this country becomes minority White because people of different races, for the most part, get on very well and intermarry, that is enriching and not to be feared. What are your thoughts on that aspect of the changing face of Britain?
chaptazbru
/// Answerprancer, as I have stated before, you are a 'do-gooder', probably the biggest one on AB, ///
I cannot agree that answerprancer is a do-gooder or even the biggest on AB.
/// Perhaps that's why he starts to twitch when I call him (or any of the other ones) fascists! ///
/// ..yeah well that made sense. ///
/// Once again His Gitship embarrasses himself amid a sea of disagreement and attacks anyone who so much as disagrees then his nodding dogs start dishing out the insults.
Change the record, for the love of Allah! ///
judging by these posts of his, on this thread alone proves him to be not a 'Do-gooder' but a 'Do-Bad' since he tries to cause more trouble on ABer than most.
/// Answerprancer, as I have stated before, you are a 'do-gooder', probably the biggest one on AB, ///
I cannot agree that answerprancer is a do-gooder or even the biggest on AB.
/// Perhaps that's why he starts to twitch when I call him (or any of the other ones) fascists! ///
/// ..yeah well that made sense. ///
/// Once again His Gitship embarrasses himself amid a sea of disagreement and attacks anyone who so much as disagrees then his nodding dogs start dishing out the insults.
Change the record, for the love of Allah! ///
judging by these posts of his, on this thread alone proves him to be not a 'Do-gooder' but a 'Do-Bad' since he tries to cause more trouble on ABer than most.
As much as that is a problem, NJ, what I am arguing is not so much that there is nothing to worry about, but rather that it's wrong to worry about Britian becoming mainly non-white solely for that fact. We could have, should have, done better in the past in encouraging integration. The way to solve that is to do better in that front now, rather than to revert to some obscure notion of "purity" that's never particularly led to anything pleasant.
/// But if this country becomes minority White because people of different races, for the most part, get on very well and intermarry, that is enriching and not to be feared. What are your thoughts on that aspect of the changing face of Britain? ///
Why should we give up our English European identity, any more than we should expect a Black African to give up his identity.
Also what is your proof that mixing the various races gene wise enriches us?
Why should we give up our English European identity, any more than we should expect a Black African to give up his identity.
Also what is your proof that mixing the various races gene wise enriches us?
There's a fundamental difference between people being obliged to marry across races and people choosing to do so. I have no problem with either choice. In the case of a relative, it has enriched us because we gain contact with my aunt's culture (she's from India) and she with ours. Their children, my cousins, are as British as I am.
If a white person wants to marry a white person, that's fine. If a white person wants to marry someone of a different race, that's also fine. In the long run such choices could lead to the face of Britain being mixed-race. Is this anything to be concerned about? No, of course not.
If a white person wants to marry a white person, that's fine. If a white person wants to marry someone of a different race, that's also fine. In the long run such choices could lead to the face of Britain being mixed-race. Is this anything to be concerned about? No, of course not.
All I consider is the over population of this country by ANY race or creed...an island population cannot expand and grow forever.
Concerning racism...
"""Why is it white persons are openly accused of 'speaking a load of rubbish', called idiots, racists etc, etc. by these left-wing presenters, yet when a black person phones in they are praised, never called names, and finally thanked for phoning the show with their valuable input? """
In my opinion, I think IF this takes place it could/may be down to the fact that the ethnic minorities (black or whatever colour/creed) have for years been seen as second class citizens in a lot of countries and this may be the way our society is compensating for that terrible fact. Again just my opinion IF it is indeed happening.
Concerning racism...
"""Why is it white persons are openly accused of 'speaking a load of rubbish', called idiots, racists etc, etc. by these left-wing presenters, yet when a black person phones in they are praised, never called names, and finally thanked for phoning the show with their valuable input? """
In my opinion, I think IF this takes place it could/may be down to the fact that the ethnic minorities (black or whatever colour/creed) have for years been seen as second class citizens in a lot of countries and this may be the way our society is compensating for that terrible fact. Again just my opinion IF it is indeed happening.
AOG - "Being English does not give any of us the right of dictating who may occupy England, no matter what alien culture we know is going to pollute ours."
That is not what I said. I did not use the term 'English' because it does not mean the same as being white. I also used the term 'pollute' in an ironic sense because of its fascistic undertones, you however appear to use it with no irony at all.
"So we should let anyone in then Andy, you would be happy with that would you?
Are you prepared to rely on our politicians to make the choice for you, and never to criticise their choice?"
I didn't make either of those observations, you are putting words in my mouth, which is something you take strong objection to when you perceive it as being done to your posts.
"And have not the British always (even up to today), been condemned for going into other peoples countries, and have not tribes in Africa also fought to keep alien tribes out of their territory? This also has taken place since Man has walked upright, it is normal for Man (and even animals) to be territorial."
The way in which the British went into other countries in the days of Empire is quite rightly criticised - their behaviour in South Africa in propping up a discriminatory regime based on colour was and remains entirely enexcusable. That does not equiate witthe many times when the British, and other nations, have been a force for improvement and prosperity. each case has to be judged on its merits - to do otherwise is to simply assume that all expediotions to other countries resulted in the rape and subjugation of the subject nation, which is patently untrue. In the same way that assuming that all imiegrants wish to take over British culture and place it beneatht their own.
"You may not possess any pride in your country or it's culture, that is your privilege, but I along with many others do, so please do not condemn us for doing so.
"You may not possess any pride in your country or it's culture, that is your privilege, but I along with many others do, so please do not condemn us for doing so."
I don'ondemn at all - again this is your misinterperetation based on something I have not said.
My only argument is this paranoid fantasy that British culture is something sacrosanct that belongs only to native white British people, and any immigration is an attempt to destroy it.
My view is that controlled immigration is a valuable asset, and that no majority of imigrants wish to do anything other than live here and contribute to our society.
Of course there are those who wish to milk the system and degrade our systems, but there are plenty those already born and bred here - you do not need to be an immigrant to use the Welfare systems to your advantage.
"/// ask the Spanish how they feel about ex-pat Brits who refuse to learn the language, and drink in 'Irish' pubs with their English friends. ///
that is an extreme generalisation, and well you know it.
I for one know of a couple and their two very young children, who decided to emigrate to Spain many years ago when they saw where this country was going.
They bought a villa in a mainly Spanish community, and they along with their now two teenagers (one going through a Spanish University), speak fluent Spanish, Catalan and Italian, and the whole family joins in fully with the culture of their adopted country."
A generalisation, I agree, but not an extreme one.
So you know of 'one couple' who have integrated. Well I know of 'one couple' who have not, so we cancel each other out.
We all generalise on occasion, but your your entire stance on the perceived fear of immigration is based on a generalisation, and one with no facts to back it up, since no-one can know how the country will be in sixty years time.
So, you see nothing by doom and gloom, and loads of foreigners taking over, and I see a positive benefit to properly controlled immigration, and neither of us will be here to see who is right.
That is not what I said. I did not use the term 'English' because it does not mean the same as being white. I also used the term 'pollute' in an ironic sense because of its fascistic undertones, you however appear to use it with no irony at all.
"So we should let anyone in then Andy, you would be happy with that would you?
Are you prepared to rely on our politicians to make the choice for you, and never to criticise their choice?"
I didn't make either of those observations, you are putting words in my mouth, which is something you take strong objection to when you perceive it as being done to your posts.
"And have not the British always (even up to today), been condemned for going into other peoples countries, and have not tribes in Africa also fought to keep alien tribes out of their territory? This also has taken place since Man has walked upright, it is normal for Man (and even animals) to be territorial."
The way in which the British went into other countries in the days of Empire is quite rightly criticised - their behaviour in South Africa in propping up a discriminatory regime based on colour was and remains entirely enexcusable. That does not equiate witthe many times when the British, and other nations, have been a force for improvement and prosperity. each case has to be judged on its merits - to do otherwise is to simply assume that all expediotions to other countries resulted in the rape and subjugation of the subject nation, which is patently untrue. In the same way that assuming that all imiegrants wish to take over British culture and place it beneatht their own.
"You may not possess any pride in your country or it's culture, that is your privilege, but I along with many others do, so please do not condemn us for doing so.
"You may not possess any pride in your country or it's culture, that is your privilege, but I along with many others do, so please do not condemn us for doing so."
I don'ondemn at all - again this is your misinterperetation based on something I have not said.
My only argument is this paranoid fantasy that British culture is something sacrosanct that belongs only to native white British people, and any immigration is an attempt to destroy it.
My view is that controlled immigration is a valuable asset, and that no majority of imigrants wish to do anything other than live here and contribute to our society.
Of course there are those who wish to milk the system and degrade our systems, but there are plenty those already born and bred here - you do not need to be an immigrant to use the Welfare systems to your advantage.
"/// ask the Spanish how they feel about ex-pat Brits who refuse to learn the language, and drink in 'Irish' pubs with their English friends. ///
that is an extreme generalisation, and well you know it.
I for one know of a couple and their two very young children, who decided to emigrate to Spain many years ago when they saw where this country was going.
They bought a villa in a mainly Spanish community, and they along with their now two teenagers (one going through a Spanish University), speak fluent Spanish, Catalan and Italian, and the whole family joins in fully with the culture of their adopted country."
A generalisation, I agree, but not an extreme one.
So you know of 'one couple' who have integrated. Well I know of 'one couple' who have not, so we cancel each other out.
We all generalise on occasion, but your your entire stance on the perceived fear of immigration is based on a generalisation, and one with no facts to back it up, since no-one can know how the country will be in sixty years time.
So, you see nothing by doom and gloom, and loads of foreigners taking over, and I see a positive benefit to properly controlled immigration, and neither of us will be here to see who is right.
NJ, best answer and well deserved, i look around me and don't recognise the society, which was fairly mixed believe it or not, that i grew up in, and i detest this hogwash of all people's have integrated, no they haven't, Chinatown has largely kept to itself, the Chinese community are notoriously insular with very little integration, and many of those peoples have been here a damn sight longer than the Indians, Pakistani and Bangladeshi's who settled in and around the East End. The respective governments and indeed local authorities have much to answer for, they are the ones that have made many, dare one even say indigenous folk feel as though they don't belong any more, that they are the ones at fault for not accepting that we are to be a multicultural, multifaith society, without thinking or realising that many who have come to Britain simply set up shop in the same way they did at home, and integration with the current set up wasn't part of the plan. We are derided soundly for our so called ex pat communities abroad, yet don't some seem that is exactly what many have done here, set up their own way of life, culture. Sometimes i despair when i see some of the responses on this site, i really really do.
jim, according to some reports over 300 nationalities live in in the capital,
so take your pick of those who would want to take up arms come a war,
the Gurkha's are an exception, they have fought alongside the British for centuries. I am not even suggesting there would be a war, but the last time there was one it killed any where between 60 and 90 million people, but there were clear enough lines of who supported who, even if some did switch sides at varying points. Now the world has changed, and millions more people are mobile, the idea that Europe is mostly white Caucasian is long gone, you wouldn't have said that 50 years ago. Not sure why i am bothering quite honestly, this always turns into a race issue not matter how well points are put.
so take your pick of those who would want to take up arms come a war,
the Gurkha's are an exception, they have fought alongside the British for centuries. I am not even suggesting there would be a war, but the last time there was one it killed any where between 60 and 90 million people, but there were clear enough lines of who supported who, even if some did switch sides at varying points. Now the world has changed, and millions more people are mobile, the idea that Europe is mostly white Caucasian is long gone, you wouldn't have said that 50 years ago. Not sure why i am bothering quite honestly, this always turns into a race issue not matter how well points are put.
Took me ages to read most of the replies. they say if you say you are not a rascist in the first sentance, then you are. well I am. i couldn't care about colour, origin etc. BUT, pay a visit to boston, lincolnshire on a saturday afternoon, and see the new immigrants ( white) drunk, peeing up walls in public, blocking footways with crowds of them, spitting, driving unlicensed and uninsured cars.
The native britains don't behave like that, why should we let standards drop to zero just to be in europe? and the big fear is that this will turn into a third world country, with the next lot of undesireables due in shortly.
Mr. Cameron, shut the door, send aid to them, but keep them OUT!!!!
The native britains don't behave like that, why should we let standards drop to zero just to be in europe? and the big fear is that this will turn into a third world country, with the next lot of undesireables due in shortly.
Mr. Cameron, shut the door, send aid to them, but keep them OUT!!!!
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