Is The Edl's Tommy Robinson Sill On Bail?

[Gromit]

Anyone know?

He was arrested again yesterday headed for the London mosque.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-23110566

[anotheoldgit]

ummmm

/// Being stopped from going into an area does not make it a no go area. ///

Errrrrrrrrrr????????????????????

You cannot go into that area!!!!!! therefore it must then be a 'no go' area.

[Gromit]

AOG

Tens of Thousands of people were in that area yesterday. That is why it isn't a 'No Go Area'.

If I was stopped going into a busy club because the bouncers thought I could cause trouble, does not make that place a 'No Go Area'.

[FredPuli43]

Aog, do you object to ordinary people being prevented, and arrested if they try it, from walking down streets near a rugby ground when on their way to a match? If so, why?

And do you object to a law providing for police consent to a gathering or march when the aim is to prevent breaches of the peace or disturbance of the community? Why? The Public Order Act 1936, since replicated in later legilsation, was passed because of events like the "Battle of Cable Street" when Jews and other anti-fascists were involved in violence and breaches of the peace. You may be too young, but would you have objected to that law because it wasn't Mosley's organisation being violent (let us assume that is so) and it was exercising its free right to march?

[anotheoldgit]

THECORBYLOON

/// Anotheoldgit, there are hundreds of mosques in London but thousands of streets, do you honestly think that even in an area with a high percentage of Muslims, it is not possible to find a route avoiding any mosque? ///

So you are comfortable with the fact that your own British citizens can be prevented from walking past a Mosque?

Maybe we should stop Muslims walking past our Churches or go the whole hog and ban any protest march, or gathering, independent on who conducts them?

[jomifl]

Fred, Don't try to put words in my mouth or Owald Mosley's, I am well aware of who Owald Mosley was, My parents were from the East End of London and I grew up in Walthamstow. I don't need a lecture on the current meaning of the word 'fascism' either.

[anotheoldgit]

jomifl

/// No one has yet explained what is expected to happen if the 'knuckle dragger' walked past a mosque. I can only assume that nothing would happen, so why all the fuss? ///

Exactly, then if the EDL commit a crime against the Mosque or it's worshippers, then arrest and charge them, but on an equal basis if the EDL are attacked while passing the Mosque then the perpetrators of that attack should also be arrested and charged

[Peter Pedant]

Right on Freddie !
I hope the beasts dont remove this answer ! I'll be right joiled !

I was thinking of Oswald Mosley's marches thro the East End which were designed to be inflammatory. But I cant recollect if the 1936 Act took powers to redirect marches.

There was a lot about Balck Shirts because it is quite difficult to legislate Thous shalt not wear Black Shirts or Red SHorts or Orange Shirts.....into a sensible sectionof an Act of Parliament.

I was actually reading this this morning - John Locke and Rousseau believed/ taught under the social contract - that we give up some rights (int his case to march past a mosque ) in order to enjoy others - the right to march at all.

I apologise for lifting the leveel of this discussion out of the gutter

[ummmm]

AOG - Gromit has explained. I'm surprised you didn't understand that.

[THECORBYLOON]

If I thought it would prevent trouble, then I'd be delighted. Back to my question to you, do you think I am no better than folk who hope for more arson attacks on mosques and wished there were folk inside them during the attacks?

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// Multiply those costs by an EDL demo every week and you can see they are costing (wasting) £millions of pounds each year. By nipping potential violence in the bud by using the law, the authorities are saving the local council tax payer £thousands in policing costs. ///

And you don't think that by providing an alternative route or a particular area for their protest. the police still won't deploy the same amount of man power and resources?

Perhaps the only way to save the money would be to ban all marches and protests? Yes I can see that would please some people, it's not just a matter of money.

[FredPuli43]

Quite, aog. Assailants should be arrested and charged, as should those breaching the peace.

Now, what's your answer to my question (above) about preventing marches and gatherings which may lead to a breach of the peace or such violence?

jomifl, good to hear of your ancestral connections with the East End, but what was the point in your remark that Mosley "didn't did he?" Are you claiming that Mosley would not, did not, object to his marches being banned or directed?

[jomifl]

Fred, since you have brought it up my point was that your remark re. Mosley was lacking integrity or economic with the truth. You attributed to Mosley words that he did not use..,

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// it was to avoid a potential breach of the peace. ///

The avoidance of a potential breach of the peace, has been regularly banded about on this thread, but no one has been brave enough to mention who would be the ones who would be most likely breach the peace?

[FredPuli43]

Don't apologise PP. It is good when people actually answer questions they are asked, however difficult or embarrassing they find the answers. That raises the level above the gutter. Discussing Rousseau? That is a bit optimistic.

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// If I was stopped going into a busy club because the bouncers thought I could cause trouble, does not make that place a 'No Go Area'. ///

It would be for you, which was exactly my point.

An area can be described as a no-go area, but it does not mean that no one at all can go in that area, that is blatantly obvious.

[THECORBYLOON]

Anotheoldgit, if the the two folk involved just wanted to place flowers at the place Drummer Rigby was murdered, why did they not get off the tube at a station nearer that location?

[ummmm]

Saying a no go area suggests it's too dangerous to enter that area for whatever reason.

[FredPuli43]

Aog, I'll answer you. Perhaps you'll be so kind as to reciprocate by answering my questions.
The people who would be involved in, or start, the violence are Muslims and Muslim sympathisers. Now, how does that advance your argument? I ask again, since it was the Jews and their supporters who were responsible for violence at British Union of Fascists marches, would you have objected to the 1936 Public Order Act being passed? If so, why?

[Gromit]

// The avoidance of a potential breach of the peace, has been regularly banded about on this thread, but no one has been brave enough to mention who would be the ones who would be most likely breach the peace? //

Preceding the arrest, the Two EDL men were walking down a passage followed by the police. Two men walked in front and slowed them down. The EDL man pushes one of the men in the back and a scuffle takes place. All four were arrested. And that is before they got anywhere near to th mosque.

[THECORBYLOON]

Anotheoldgit, are you sure Robinson is indigenous? His parents are Irish immigrants and since you have strict criteria on what qualifies as being English, just thought I'd ask.