Anti-Ukip Campaign Good For Ukip?

[Gromit]

Everyday we see stories in our newspapers attacking UKiP and Farage. These stories from papers supporting the Conservatives and Labour are designed to put voters off them, but there is evidence it is having the opposite effect.

// Farage attacks backfire on Labour and Tories //

// Labour and Tory polling is showing that attacks claiming Nigel Farage is a racist have backfired since voters do not regard him as such and see the assaults as a sign that the political establishment are ganging up to undermine him.

The apparent backlash is coming to both parties from telephone polling and focus groups, which say that the attacks have raised Farage's profile and confirmed him as the anti-establishment candidate. It does not tally with published opinion polls that show the Ukip lead in the European elections narrowing slightly. //

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/20/labour-tory-poll-ratings-farage-attacks

Do you agree the establishments' campaign backfire?

[Svejk]

what it is, Naomi, as our left-wing 'friends' remind us ad nauseam, is we're all a bit simple and believe every word the daily mail prints. ;o)

[Svejk]

give over with the Nazi stuff. you're like a cracked record.

[Svejk]

very nice, if a tad condescending, of you to share your 'educated opinion' with me. I'm afraid I, and I suspect the world in general, don't hold it in the same high regard you appear to. I do have some sympathy with your views as I held, somewhat, similar ones when I was 13. And, funnily enough, I too, felt superior to, and spouted the most frightful drivel to all and sundry. One day, with luck, an open mind and darest I say some further 'education', you'll look back and laugh at your current, rather gauche, pronouncements.

[DaisyNonna]

Gromit, do you believe people are really that stupid? Sympathy vote?

[emmie]

that many come with nowt, and their lot may not improve over much.
our streets are not paved with gold, we are still in the economic doldrums, and what we don't need is shedloads of poorly educated peoples. if we accepted those from Germany, France, US, who have a grounding in business, medicine, engineering, some of we can utilise, but not millions who have no formal education, training, they want a better life, i get that, however i don't see that we have to educate the world and his wife, nor house them, will they be massive contributors in the long term, unlikely. How many people can Britain support in the services it provides, GPs, hospitals, schools, this country is not a charity, we have to have well educated people, those who earn money, pay their taxes and are consistent contributors to the overall pot.

[emmie]

those who liken UKIP to the Nazi's, don't really understand the difference, or know anything at all about the Nazi Party. UKIP have their share of oddballs, some have been weeded out, some should never have got to any prominent position, however i can see why people will vote for them

[kvalidir]

''those who liken UKIP to the Nazi's, don't really understand the difference, or know anything at all about the Nazi Party.''
That's a very sweeping and inaccurate statement Emmie, people are entitled to their opinions as much as you are without you assuming they aren't bright enough to realise what they are talking about. I can see many parallels between UKIP and the early NSDAP, I don't assume you are an idiot simply because I don't agree with you, I simply don't agree with you.

[emmie]

ok, how many UKIP supporters would conduct mass exterminations, experiments on human beings, would want all Jews, homosexuals, mentally, physically disabled killed, how many in UKIP would want this country as a totalitarian state, the Nazi party along with ordinary men and women in Germany did that and a whole lot more, do you think that to liken to them right, because i don't. They are entitled to their opinions, but its a false one, UKIP are a political party, they have NO CHANCE of ever being part of main stream politics in Britain. No more than the raving monster loony party, or the Greens, they have a little influence in EU, but i very much doubt it they can alter the way of things.

[ChillDoubt]

Also, I don't understand what Chill's comment about my mattress means....
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That's ok Kromo, I was just implying that your 'patently right-wing policy' quip made you sound like a foil hat wearing, hand wringing, bedwetting liberal.

[kvalidir]

You don't seem to have much of a grasp of history Emmie and it is YOU that does not appreciate the similarities.
The NSDAP and UKIP both lured away working class people from their 'straightforward socialism' by creating an atmosphere of fear about employment and finance, both oppose liberalism, they both employed an allegedly charismatic leader, they both grew out of belligerently nationalist fringe parties and took their members from those happily, they both took advantage of periods of economic depression to launch their 'blame tactics' at their target groups (Jews and immigrants respectively), and they both sought to divide the nation nationally. You could honestly go on and on.The similarities are startling in their MO.
Now you say that UKIP will never come to power and I agree with you, but that is because of a mixture of repugnance towards them by most right thinking people and legislation which exists to prevent them being very openly racist, even though they are as racist as they can get away with. Thankfully the Shoah cannot happen in Britain, but that is thanks to us being far more careful about how we manage hate crimes now.

[emmie]

i do actually, much more than some, i can see that some might liken them to the Nazi party, though it would be wrong. UKIP do not have a chance as i said of ever gaining power in Britain, never.

[emmie]

you just said right thinking people, who are you to tell people how to think, what to think, if you find them repugnant then fine, however some obviously don't. and to continue on in this Nazi party cobblers is just that.

[emmie]

how we manage hate crimes, gosh tell me how do we do that. And hate against who exactly, i see hate in the fact that 2 women every week going on info, are murdered by a husband, partner, that many women are the subject of attack, physically, mentally on a regular basis, that these are hate crimes, and i do wonder how many are prosecuted for this abuse.
hate crimes like terrorism, homosexual baiting, bashing, carried out by so called rational people,
marrying off their child to an old man, or allowing the girls to have fgm, that is a hate crime, hate against the child, woman, come on be fair
you really think that UKIP are going to lure away many millions of people into doing what exactly, vote for them, perhaps, but that is all, they don't as far as i can see organise mass rallies, or kill people because of their race, creed, colour, they want to stop more immigration to Britain, well
so do some Tories, Lib Dems, Labour people, all racists are they?

[jomifl]

Emmie the nazi party didn't spring into the world fully formed, it grew out of a party like ukip.

[emmie]

i am well aware it didn't come fully formed, however to keep on this idiot road is patent nonsense. They want a curb on immigration, i go along with that, our hands are largely tied on that as well, as this free to roam, work across the EU is writ large, and any idea that we can boot out foreign criminals, terror suspects, or the likes of Hamza, how long did it take, is nonsense, UKIP have no role in main stream politics, not now, not ever.
they have however given some food for thought to the main parties, and to some people who don't care for this all in it together mentality.

[kvalidir]

I think most right minded people do find racism, misogyny, elitism, xenophobia and isolationism repugnant. I think that the candidates they field are also a repugnant bunch, and I think most rational people would agree with that. A small example for you of their truly classy offerings candidate wise:-

Farage- refuses to allow his expenses to be audited, boasts about how many women he has 'got pregnant', wouldn't want to live next to a Romanian and is uncomfortable with people speaking their own language on a train- and about 10,000 other things.

Roger Helmer- Assaulted a physically disabled man and liked being gay to a 'mental illness'.

Janice Atkinson- Screamed ' *** Off' at protesters and press.

Godfrey Bloom- called a room full of women 'sluts' and then hit a journalist before running away in a Taxi- plus previously he referred to third world countries as Bongo-Bongo Land.

Geoffrey Clarke= thinks compulsary abortion is called for for Spina Bifida and Downs Syndrome children.

Alex Wood- enjoys doing Nazi salutes.

Chris Pain- described illegal immigrants as "sandal-wearing, bomb-making, camel-riding, goat-f******, ragheads"

Seriously Emmie, how much more do you want me to post, or are you saying most right minded people would think any of that is okay?

[emmie]

i wonder how many of the supporters of the other parties think those things, they may not say it, because it wouldn't do would it, however i bet you a pound to a penny that there are plenty, many don't agree with gay marriage, many don't like or agree with gays adopting children, they may be from any of the parties, i wonder how many supporters of the main parties want a curb on immigration, you seem to believe its only UKIP people that do this, that is short sighted. I heard an Asian guy say on a BBC interview, that he didn't agree with mass immigration that it had to stop, that the country was already overcrowded. UKIP and Farage in particular are expressing opinions held by many other voters.
some will hide their light under a bushel, but this utopian idealism is also a nonsense.

[emmie]

she isn't alone,

http://socialistunity.com/anne-marie-waters-the-worst-possible-potential-labour-ppc/