Anti-Ukip Campaign Good For Ukip?

[Gromit]

Everyday we see stories in our newspapers attacking UKiP and Farage. These stories from papers supporting the Conservatives and Labour are designed to put voters off them, but there is evidence it is having the opposite effect.

// Farage attacks backfire on Labour and Tories //

// Labour and Tory polling is showing that attacks claiming Nigel Farage is a racist have backfired since voters do not regard him as such and see the assaults as a sign that the political establishment are ganging up to undermine him.

The apparent backlash is coming to both parties from telephone polling and focus groups, which say that the attacks have raised Farage's profile and confirmed him as the anti-establishment candidate. It does not tally with published opinion polls that show the Ukip lead in the European elections narrowing slightly. //

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/may/20/labour-tory-poll-ratings-farage-attacks

Do you agree the establishments' campaign backfire?

[Khandro]

There is no connection whatsoever between the aspirations of UKIP and those of National Socialism of the 1930's, they wished to expand, and UKIP wishes to contract, - go figure.
Peter Pedant: Your "Charley got it right" post 23:48 is thoroughly reprehensible, even meally-mouthed Milliband and Clegg didn't say he was RIGHT, they said he had the right to his opinion, only Farage had the balls to say he was wrong, which he clearly was.

[Kromovaracun]

Emmie

I'm not really interested in the nazi comparisons (as I don't think they're particularly useful), but I do want to pick up something you said earlier:

"we have to have well educated people, those who earn money, pay their taxes and are consistent contributors to the overall pot."

Fine. Nobody would disagree with that. But if you agree with quality-controlled immigration, how on earth can you support a five-year freeze on permanent settlement? How can you have quality controlled immigration when you have virtually none at all?

I realise not all immigration is permanent, but this idea that anyone outside the EU can come into the country easily just is not true. I know several people from North America, Scandinavia and China who can all testify to how difficult and cumbersome it is to get a UK Visa. UKIP's policies would reduce immigration to pretty much nothing.

[emmie]

if anyone reads up on the beginnings of the National socialists which become the Nazi party, you will see it wasn't started firstly by Hitler, that its fortunes waxed and waned from early 1920's, that many thought it a joke, it wasn't remotely amusing however when Hitler did reform the party and brought in the heavy mob, then people did sit up and take notice.

[kvalidir]

We know all that already Emmie, what's your point?

[emmie]

Krom, and i have seen how the capital is now a free for all zone, over 300 languages spoken, and English not even coming a poor second in many instances, this may be extreme, it may not be pertinent to other parts of the country, however this idea that all immigration is going to be beneficial is nonsense. and those who want to come here don't necessarily have the good grace to apply for a visa.

[emmie]

the point being is that UKIP are not remotely and never will be anything like the national socialists, the Nazi party, not now, not ever, they won't hold office, and once the general election rolls around the people of Britain will vote for the three main parties, UKIP will struggle thereafter.

[kvalidir]

Well we've already disagreed on whether they are similar or not and agreed they are unlikely to ever hold power,so isn't it all just old ground?

[emmie]

so why do some keep on insisting they are like the Nazi party, they are not, never will be, whether they hold any seats or not. They don't have the storm troopers, nor the idea they can sway the entire population with Hitler style rhetoric, and whilst we are about it, we are more likely to become an Islamic state than one that is akin to Nazi Germany

[Kromovaracun]

"those who want to come here don't necessarily have the good grace to apply for a visa."

Yes, and that's just as illegal now as it would be under a UKIP administration.

And forgive me, but you haven't answered my question. You say you're in favour of quality-controlled immigration and yet support a policy that would result in pretty no immigration whatsoever. How do you square these two?

[emmie]

perhaps some are frightened of them because it takes away from the main parties, but Farage has bested Nick Clegg, perhaps he should go a round or two with Milliband and Cameron, and see how well or bad he does then. or put someone in the ring with him that is much more politically savvy, he would likely not have an answer, and even if he did, then surely most won't be voting for UKIP in the general election, they have had more bad press than good, much more than the other parties put together.

[emmie]

i said let us have a respite for now, we are not remotely robust economically speaking, and more poor folk we don't need. if they come from the EU we don't have a choice, do we? And those coming from Somalia, Pakistan, Afghanistan to name just three, don't necessarily wait to be asked to come, those sitting in the ports in France, those who say they want a better life, good for them, but we just can't cope at this stage of the game

[Kromovaracun]

"but Farage has bested Nick Clegg,"

If I drew a face on a paper plate, and then blue-tacked it to a broom handle, it would best Nick Clegg.

If I produced a tape recorder that broadcast nothing but white noise, it would best Nick Clegg.

If I dug up one of my old dead pets, and put them on a podium, they would best Nick Clegg.

(you get the idea)

[kvalidir]

People can think what they like Emmie, I see Nazi parallels, you do not. I think neither of those viewpoints is likely to change so what's the point of continually hitting people in the face with the same information over and over again?

[emmie]

there is no way on earth to know how many illegals are in Britain, not even a rough estimate, they must have to work, live somehow, if they don't show up on the radar of tax, insurance, so perhaps work in the black economy, for a gang boss being exploited, in labouring, farming even, not good for them at all.

[emmie]

because you keep on saying the same thing over and over again. I will keep on refuting it, just like you.

[emmie]

Krom, yes its why i suggested someone with cojones in the political field could likely put him to rest, he is populist, and comes out with stuff that some like, some don't, but they are afraid of him, and i just don't see why

[kvalidir]

I haven't said the same thing over and over again, I said it once, you disagreed, I showed you WHY there are parallels, you ignored the whole post and then went off on a ' they are not Nazis' rant citing exactly the beginnings I mentioned to try to prove their dis-similarity for some reason. Isn't that the end of that particular aspect?

[emmie]

no, Krom also says and i am pretty sure there are others who don't agree there are similarities with the Nazi party, i have to go now and buy or nick a UKIP rosette, bye

[kvalidir]

I don't even understand that last post I'm afraid but have fun on your crime spree :)

[emmie]

no you wouldn't, irony really doesn't suit you does it.