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A Bravado Racist Chant Maybe, But A Real Act Of Racism?
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Much has been said and reported about the Chelsea fans behaviour in France, mainly due to the Video obtained by the Guardian.
Well apart from the ridiculous chant from a football crowd, and many of us have become accustomed to these over the years, was it enough for calls for the perpetrators to answer to be banned and face the law?
As far as I could see from the video, the black man was walking along the platform, until he got to the open door of the carriage containing the football crowd.
Now what was said, perhaps we will never know, but instead of the black man trying to board the train was he actually trying to confront these football supporters in an aggressive way, and if he was isn't it obvious that they would try and push him away.
Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that), but in the true football crowd tradition was this just to get back at their opponent.
I am in no way condoning an act of racism if that is what it was, but before you condemn me look at the video again.
Much has been said and reported about the Chelsea fans behaviour in France, mainly due to the Video obtained by the Guardian.
Well apart from the ridiculous chant from a football crowd, and many of us have become accustomed to these over the years, was it enough for calls for the perpetrators to answer to be banned and face the law?
As far as I could see from the video, the black man was walking along the platform, until he got to the open door of the carriage containing the football crowd.
Now what was said, perhaps we will never know, but instead of the black man trying to board the train was he actually trying to confront these football supporters in an aggressive way, and if he was isn't it obvious that they would try and push him away.
Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that), but in the true football crowd tradition was this just to get back at their opponent.
I am in no way condoning an act of racism if that is what it was, but before you condemn me look at the video again.
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If one of this gang had punched someone and put them in hospital would had there been as much uproar? No, I dont think their would. Name calling is now a more serious offence than any violent attack it seems.
16:07 Thu 19th Feb 2015
I think AOG has flounced off - for all his stating that he is finishing at his usual time.
He has found himself lacking in any support of his ludicrous bating question, but still defended it to the last, resorting to lashing out when feeling under attack (which is often in my experience).
I will stand toe to toe with anyone in debate, but to call me out for being rude, and then to crudely insult another AB'er who did nothing to deserve it is not the conduct of a gentleman, and I hope he will consider his actions, and apologise with appropriate humility when he re-joins us tomorrow.
He has found himself lacking in any support of his ludicrous bating question, but still defended it to the last, resorting to lashing out when feeling under attack (which is often in my experience).
I will stand toe to toe with anyone in debate, but to call me out for being rude, and then to crudely insult another AB'er who did nothing to deserve it is not the conduct of a gentleman, and I hope he will consider his actions, and apologise with appropriate humility when he re-joins us tomorrow.
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// and he was a commuter going to work. I forget his name...something like Soulemaine...//
Soulemane X - he has rather wrecked the illusion by appearing anonymously. And so he shows that la belle France has its own problems with racism and it is not just a disgraceful Anglo-Saxon import, brought in by public school boys and other dreadful riff-raff.
I'm not sure - does some have to lodge a criminal complaint ( une plainte ) before the police ( flics, bande de broleurs ) leap into action ?
Soulemane X - he has rather wrecked the illusion by appearing anonymously. And so he shows that la belle France has its own problems with racism and it is not just a disgraceful Anglo-Saxon import, brought in by public school boys and other dreadful riff-raff.
I'm not sure - does some have to lodge a criminal complaint ( une plainte ) before the police ( flics, bande de broleurs ) leap into action ?
// To paraphrase something or other, //
no divebuddy the paraphrase I would use is
AOG you are an incorrigible crypto-Nazi and I have been drinking, and the difference between us is that tomorrow I will be sober and you will be posting more .....
LOL at my own joke - the original quotes are by his fave prime minister Winston Churchill arent they ?
no divebuddy the paraphrase I would use is
AOG you are an incorrigible crypto-Nazi and I have been drinking, and the difference between us is that tomorrow I will be sober and you will be posting more .....
LOL at my own joke - the original quotes are by his fave prime minister Winston Churchill arent they ?
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ANOTHEOLDGIT said,
sp1814
/// Also, why did you write: ///
"Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that)"
Yes I admit I was being a little sarcastic there, obviously they did in fact chant that along with "Chelsea, Chelsea" but perhaps not at that position on the clip which the Guardian chose to place it"
Really? You wrote previously,
// Not really supposed. If you play the video you cand hear it. ///
Well you must have better hearing than most of us, why else would the Guardian deem it necessary to add sub-titles?"
You were not being sarcastic, you were saying what you really thought. I do not believe for a second that you are playing the Devil's Advocate, you are trying to drag yourself out a pit of your own making. You have not had the supportive responses you had hoped for and you are desperately and pathetically backtracking.
Admit it, you got it wrong in a big way.
sp1814
/// Also, why did you write: ///
"Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that)"
Yes I admit I was being a little sarcastic there, obviously they did in fact chant that along with "Chelsea, Chelsea" but perhaps not at that position on the clip which the Guardian chose to place it"
Really? You wrote previously,
// Not really supposed. If you play the video you cand hear it. ///
Well you must have better hearing than most of us, why else would the Guardian deem it necessary to add sub-titles?"
You were not being sarcastic, you were saying what you really thought. I do not believe for a second that you are playing the Devil's Advocate, you are trying to drag yourself out a pit of your own making. You have not had the supportive responses you had hoped for and you are desperately and pathetically backtracking.
Admit it, you got it wrong in a big way.
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