A Bravado Racist Chant Maybe, But A Real Act Of Racism?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.theguardian.com/football/2015/feb/18/racist-chelsea-fans-push-black-man-paris-metro

Much has been said and reported about the Chelsea fans behaviour in France, mainly due to the Video obtained by the Guardian.

Well apart from the ridiculous chant from a football crowd, and many of us have become accustomed to these over the years, was it enough for calls for the perpetrators to answer to be banned and face the law?

As far as I could see from the video, the black man was walking along the platform, until he got to the open door of the carriage containing the football crowd.

Now what was said, perhaps we will never know, but instead of the black man trying to board the train was he actually trying to confront these football supporters in an aggressive way, and if he was isn't it obvious that they would try and push him away.

Yes we all know that the crowd were suppose to be shouting "We’re racist, we’re racist, and that’s the way we like it". (because the Guardian has told us that), but in the true football crowd tradition was this just to get back at their opponent.

I am in no way condoning an act of racism if that is what it was, but before you condemn me look at the video again.

[agchristie]

I hope there's no problems in the return leg or we will end up on here with:-

'The Battle of Stamford Bridge!'

[FrogNog]

By the way AOG, you make a lot of and sneer down your nose at this being a Guardian story.
Here you go. You're welcome.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31543951
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/02/18/football/chelsea-paris-metro-abuse/
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/chelsea/11419546/Chilling-video-of-racist-Chelsea-supporters-in-Paris-shames-club-and-has-damaging-ramifications-for-English-football.html
http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/02/chelsea-condemn-fans-racist-behaviour-paris-metro-150218101200299.html
http://www.channel4.com/news/chelsea-racist-train-black-paris-football-chant-video
http://www.express.co.uk/sport/football/558850/Chelsea-Fans-Paris-Metro
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2015/02/18/racist-chelsea-fans_n_6705160.html

Are you now going to try and convince me that the Guardian just showed what it wanted to make the black man out to be a victim, as you have been so heavily suggesting, and that none of these reputable sources saw through that?
I think not.

[SirOracle]

PP...If you are trying to give the impression that you can speak French,may I advise you that you are unable to do so.Riddled with errors.

On reflection, your command of English is not too hot either.

[jno]

you can't believe a word the Telegraph says these days,FrogNog

[FrogNog]

Oh well Jno, that'll be the focus then ;)

[-Talbot-]

Having been to hundreds of games this is my take on it, divebuddy.

People would already have been on the train when the Chelsea idiots got onboard but once the idiots were on the train they wanted to show how fantastic they are by 'taking the train' I don't think they would have let a white Frenchman on that train never mind a black one. Commuters were free to get off but not on.

[FrogNog]

divebuddy she presents the News Quiz on Radio 4

[jourdain2]

I think I've arrived a bit late on this thread. Stamford Bridge is worth a visit folks!

[Zacs-Master]

I do like to tune in to the news section in the hope that someone has posted something truly outrageous. Today was a corker. Truly astonishing.

[Peter Pedant]

Orac - I am only trying to give the impression I like watching Spiral - I hesitate to write "Engrenages" but I appreciate your encouragement 'to have a go'

[bobthebandit]

This whole incident is very suspicious. I am sure it has all been set up to discredit UKIP. This is because one of the Chelsea fans from the tube train has been named, with his photo on the front page of tonight's Evening Standard, sharing a pint with Nigel Farage.

[SirOracle]

You have got me baffled again PP with your "engrenages"


Engrenage ......Noun male - gears,gearing.

An expression eg would be "quand on est pris dans l'engrenage " which means
-- "when one is caught up in the system "

[Peter Pedant]

Oh Dear Orac - the French for 'Spiral' is 'Engrenages'
sorry the French name for the imported English serial called 'Spiral' is " Engrenages"

we have a Belgian at work who encourages people to "have a go at French" as he is aware that the French tend to laugh and ridicule those making grammatical mistakes in French - and his comment was 'engrenages' is the workings of a clock.... We discuss with bated breath each episode every week. M Roban is one of the judges and Audrey Fleurot plays Laure and sets every heart aflutter. I was wondering why you had told me I had got everything wrong in the programme and now it turns out you didnt watch it. Criminal procedure radically changed in 2013
http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Engrenages_(s%C3%A9rie_t%C3%A9l%C3%A9vis%C3%A9e)

[Svejk]

sp1814
/// Note too how another black passenger departs the carriage rather than subject herself to the gang?///

Someone got off a train. Shock. Horror.
I haven't seen any clips of this, yet. But it has 'set-up' all over it.
And AOG is right. You're, once again, behaving like a gang of bullies in the school-yard. Pathetic.

[Peter Pedant]

The bit I noticed schweik is the guy in the check coat at the beginning of the clip ( well it depends on where it is cut doesnt it ?) who takes himself out of the camera shot when he realised that someone is filming...

and I thought - apolz to Orac - typical cheese eating surrender monkeys, wont get involved....

[Svejk]

You're a bit of a frankofile, pp. Is it a popular hobby in France. Hanging around the metro filming boarders?
Again, haven't seen any clips. I'm savouring that little treat.