This Green And Pleasant Land?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3290641/Two-young-women-two-men-brawl-outside-KFC-middle-day-shocking-video-one-shouts-dissing-mum.html

Why the change? Croydon was such a nice place once, and to see women fighting in the street, if it ever happened was very, very rare.

[retrocop]

That is for us to tell Mr aog.That is why he has said in the title "why the change" He also asked elsewhere on the thread.

[retrocop]

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So far the majority of replies are from the usual suspects who enjoy provocation and putting words into other's mouths

[anotheoldgit]

Mamyalynne

/// I was born in 1953, saw many a cat fight in my
teens ///

What, in the High Street, really?

We are not talking about a little hair pulling, scratching, and the pulling of pigtails here.

[anotheoldgit]

Baldric

///Croydon was such a nice place once///

*** Sadly I must have missed that day! ***

All dependant on how far you are going back.

[jackthehat]

You must have lived an impressively peripatetic life to be able to comment so personally on the declining standards in towns and cities all over the country.

[Mamyalynne]

Anotheoldgit - saw all manner of skirmishes - from a little hair pulling and posturing to full on brawls as in the piece linked.

Some on High Street outside eateries, taxi offices, pubs,clubs , some indoors.

The only real difference was as mentioned, no one was on hand to film it all.

[Gromit]

Retrocop,

It s good to know that you (and apparently AOG) do not think that immigration is not the thing that has changed, and is not Responsible for the decline in public behaviour. I agree with you both.

[jomifl]

Though some ABers consider this behaviour to be 'normal for croydon', it is something that has only become 'normal' in my lifetime. A few drunken brawls perhaps outside pubs at closing time perhaps but couples fighting at midday in the high street ...never. I grew up in the East End by the way...

[retrocop]

Gromit
How gracious of you. I guess you must of read my thread where I did actually suggest several answers to the question asked, none of which mentioned race, instead of sniping at Mr aog.

[anotheoldgit]

retrocop

You've hit the nail right on the head, but it is never those who are disciplined, especially when anyone can see how some would have liked for this perfectly innocent thread to be turned into.

[RandyMarsh]

What one has to ask is why hardly no one these days ever remembers the names of the numerous gangs and criminals?

Maybe you don't but a lot of people remember people like the Krays and the Richardsons.

[Mamyalynne]

Certainly knew the names of certain groups to avoid in my area.

[-Talbot-]

Mamyalynne
I was born in 1953, saw many a cat fight in my teens , usually about boys not mums.


Born somewhat later than Mamya but also saw many a cat fight in my teens , usually about me not mums. :0p

[RandyMarsh]

stud

[Gromit]

So I suppose the question is, "what is responsible for this decline in behaviour?"

Can I have a second guess. Is it the fault of Every Labour Government, ever?

[anotheoldgit]

jackthehat

/// You must have lived an impressively peripatetic life to be able to comment so personally on the declining standards in towns and cities all over the country. ///

One doesn't need any special qualifications, except life experience and of course common sense, to notice the decline in standards not only in towns and cities, but all over the world.

One is told about them each and every day on rolling news channels and local and national press and of course experiences gained from travel.

For example, in all my lifetime I can never remember a pupil stabbing a teacher or further a field, holiday makers shot dead as they sun bathed on a foreign beach.

[anotheoldgit]

RandyMarsh

/// Maybe you don't but a lot of people remember people like the Krays and the Richardsons. ///

Thank you,that is exactly my point, when I referred to Dr Crippen and Ruth Ellis, and as you have now brought to the list, the Krays and the Richardsons.

Why? Because in those days such criminals were a rarity, but nowadays, there are far too many to remember.

[RandyMarsh]

What are you saying?, that there were no murders back then?

[anotheoldgit]

Gromit

/// So I suppose the question is, "what is responsible for this decline in behaviour?" ///

/// Can I have a second guess. Is it the fault of Every Labour Government, ever? ///

No it's not, and stop altering my question, so as to make the question one that you would wish it to be.

Just to remind you once again, the question that I asked was:

/// WHY THE CHANGE? ///

And before you report me for breaking the Site Rules, I am not shouting, but just trying to make it a little more clearer for you to see.

[RandyMarsh]

is is no change, people have always fought in the streets.