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Why the change? Croydon was such a nice place once, and to see women fighting in the street, if it ever happened was very, very rare.
Why the change? Croydon was such a nice place once, and to see women fighting in the street, if it ever happened was very, very rare.
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The change is nationwide - and as advised, the advent of technology allows for such incidents to become the stuff of 'entertainment'.
It's completely unedifying, and should be left where it is - a stupid fight between stupid people - it's expansion into 'media' solves nothing - it's one step above poking the loonies through the bars at bedlam.
It's completely unedifying, and should be left where it is - a stupid fight between stupid people - it's expansion into 'media' solves nothing - it's one step above poking the loonies through the bars at bedlam.
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/// It's always happened and it always will....it just never got sent to the press before. ///
I do not need the press to report it, because in all my 80 plus years, and all the places I have been in all those years, I have never seen anything like that, committed by the fairer sex, and believe me there were much squalor in some areas years ago.
/// It's always happened and it always will....it just never got sent to the press before. ///
I do not need the press to report it, because in all my 80 plus years, and all the places I have been in all those years, I have never seen anything like that, committed by the fairer sex, and believe me there were much squalor in some areas years ago.
AOG - //I do not need the press to report it, because in all my 80 plus years, and all the places I have been in all those years, I have never seen anything like that, committed by the fairer sex, and believe me there were much squalor in some areas years ago. //
Understandably - you obviously do not frequent any city centre in this country on a Friday or Saturday night - you will see such behaviour, and worse, anywhere there at any time.
Understandably - you obviously do not frequent any city centre in this country on a Friday or Saturday night - you will see such behaviour, and worse, anywhere there at any time.
People have always argued and fought, even in Croydon.
The difference is that everyone has a video camera in their pocket to capture the grizzily details and the abolity to upload it to YouTube. And the ubiquitious CCTV and police videoing.
So behaviour hasn't changed, but the technologic revolution means we can all rubberneck at such incidents from the comfort of our own homes.
The difference is that everyone has a video camera in their pocket to capture the grizzily details and the abolity to upload it to YouTube. And the ubiquitious CCTV and police videoing.
So behaviour hasn't changed, but the technologic revolution means we can all rubberneck at such incidents from the comfort of our own homes.
I live in a market town. My grandad was the landlord of a pub on the market square. Back then (60's) market pubs were allowed to open early to cater for market workers. On his very first day in the pub he had to get the dogs out twice before official opening time.
If that carry on happened nowadays it would be on youtube...
If that carry on happened nowadays it would be on youtube...
/// The change is nationwide - and as advised, the advent of technology allows for such incidents to become the stuff of 'entertainment'. ///
It is not a matter of incidents such as this becoming 'entertainment', but it certainly a concern that this change in behaviour is nationwide.
And if so, it is the media's responsibility to report such things, and not to bury them, in the hope that they will go away.
We all should be asking why this decline in public behaviour and demanding that something is done very soon so as to prevent a complete decline into the abyss of human behaviour.
It is not a matter of incidents such as this becoming 'entertainment', but it certainly a concern that this change in behaviour is nationwide.
And if so, it is the media's responsibility to report such things, and not to bury them, in the hope that they will go away.
We all should be asking why this decline in public behaviour and demanding that something is done very soon so as to prevent a complete decline into the abyss of human behaviour.
Andy Capp cartoon c.1967
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The fact that the cartoonist was making jokes about women fighting in the street, shows that it was not that an unusual occurance.
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The fact that the cartoonist was making jokes about women fighting in the street, shows that it was not that an unusual occurance.
// And if so, it is the media's responsibility to report such things, and not to bury them, in the hope that they will go away. //
Is it national news? Two people fighting in Croydon. We are only seeing it because there is film of it.
It isn't news as information, it is news as a voyeuristic pleasure.
Is it national news? Two people fighting in Croydon. We are only seeing it because there is film of it.
It isn't news as information, it is news as a voyeuristic pleasure.
AOG
I think you're lucky not to have to walk through market towns on a Friday or Saturday night.
In my clubbing days, fights were absolutely the norm...between blokes and between women.
This is a years old story. This article doesn't show anything brand new. It shows something that has been going on for decades.
Remember the rise of the 'ladette' in the 90s (around the time of Britpo) - that's where it started.
It is not a new phenomenon.
Smartphones are a new phenomenon.
The word phenomenon is almost impossible to type without the assistance of a spellchecker.
I think you're lucky not to have to walk through market towns on a Friday or Saturday night.
In my clubbing days, fights were absolutely the norm...between blokes and between women.
This is a years old story. This article doesn't show anything brand new. It shows something that has been going on for decades.
Remember the rise of the 'ladette' in the 90s (around the time of Britpo) - that's where it started.
It is not a new phenomenon.
Smartphones are a new phenomenon.
The word phenomenon is almost impossible to type without the assistance of a spellchecker.
AOG - //It is not a matter of incidents such as this becoming 'entertainment', but it certainly a concern that this change in behaviour is nationwide. //
I think it is very much a matter of incidents like this becoming 'entertainment' - if you degrade something from assault to amusement, you correspondingly minimise the effect of such behaviour, and that is a key to its desensitisation, an increasing problem for society.
//And if so, it is the media's responsibility to report such things, and not to bury them, in the hope that they will go away. //
If the media reported minor spats like this every time they occurred, the news would be full of little else - a sense of perspective has to be employed.
//We all should be asking why this decline in public behaviour and demanding that something is done very soon so as to prevent a complete decline into the abyss of human behaviour. //
There will be no 'decline into the abyss of human behaviour' as your rather floridly express it AOG.
For every numpty like anyone of those, there are ten thousand god honest people living and forming part of the society in which we live.
Inherent human goodness will always ensure that the human race remains as it always has - flawed, but essentially good.
I think it is very much a matter of incidents like this becoming 'entertainment' - if you degrade something from assault to amusement, you correspondingly minimise the effect of such behaviour, and that is a key to its desensitisation, an increasing problem for society.
//And if so, it is the media's responsibility to report such things, and not to bury them, in the hope that they will go away. //
If the media reported minor spats like this every time they occurred, the news would be full of little else - a sense of perspective has to be employed.
//We all should be asking why this decline in public behaviour and demanding that something is done very soon so as to prevent a complete decline into the abyss of human behaviour. //
There will be no 'decline into the abyss of human behaviour' as your rather floridly express it AOG.
For every numpty like anyone of those, there are ten thousand god honest people living and forming part of the society in which we live.
Inherent human goodness will always ensure that the human race remains as it always has - flawed, but essentially good.
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