Why Do The Lefties Loath Their Country So Much?

[anotheoldgit]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/article-3452193/STEPHEN-GLOVER-Lefties-luvvies-loathe-country.html

/// But I cannot help observing the grotesque irony that in the capital of Germany this deluded woman should have spoken of how ‘England’s fascistic side’ affected the British view of Germany and World War II. ///

/// She even had the nerve to grumble about being ‘completely brainwashed’ by films she saw in her childhood showing the British ‘being marvellous and beating the Nazis’. ///

You can't get any more anti-British than that.

[jno]

so let's see, he's got Emma Thompson... and, um , Beatrice Webb 80 years ago... and so that's all lefties.

Why do rightie writers whine so much?

[ichkeria]

The amount of coverage being dedicated to Emna Thompson's comments is truly staggering. It's the mention of cake I tell you! Do NOT accuse your fellow Brirs of being fat whatever else you do
Ironically of course the author is largely quoting from George Orwell, a great Engkish patriot of the Left

[andy-hughes]

I hardly think that the opinions of one actress can be said to be representative of an entire political ethos.

The Mail has got itself into a tizz because its readership is the Middle England bracket who are patriotic, and equally annoyed at people they perceive as being unpatriotic.

For Mr Glover therefore, the task is a simple one - write a feature that panders to the Mail readership. Huff and puff about the disgrace of not only being left-wing, but unpatriotic, two aspects of opinion which inflame the Mail readership.

The mail readership likes to be inflamed and angry - so really Mr Glover's task was a fish / barrel interface.

She is one actress, high profile (ish) but still just one person whose opinions can be discounted - unless you want to get upset over them.

Personally, I wouldn't bother.

[jno]

funny thing is, ichkeria, it's the righties on here who are most outraged that people overeat and say obesity shouldn't be treated on the NHS because it's all their own feckless fault.

But when Emma Thompson appears to agree with them...

[andy-hughes]

I have cross-posted with my two colleagues, but is seems we are of one mind on this - it's really not worth getting upset over.

[naomi24]

From the link: quoting George Orwell, a ‘leftie’ who eventually came to see the error of his ways:

//‘England is perhaps the only great country whose intellectuals are ashamed of their own nationality. In Left-wing circles it is always felt there is something slightly disgraceful in being an Englishman and that it is a duty to snigger at every British institution.’ //

What an astutely observant man he was.

[bazwillrun]

"self-declared socialist" forgot champagne in there

In the 40's WW11 with the leftie attitude thats now infected and running rampant here, this country would have been "handed" over to and run by germany now..oh hold on ..

they (not all though ) seem more than happy to throw open the doors and allow anybody in and the more of them the better and if theyre not white then theyre really pleased...they seem to be embarassed about being white for some odd reason..they are a disgrace

[jackthehat]

The Daily Mail, as usual, cherry-picks its quotes to show ET in the worst possible light. She's a Leftie, no doubt about that, but I don't think it is a criminal offence to be so....similarly being pro-Europe.

[bazwillrun]

"it's really not worth getting upset over."

advice youd do well to take heed of on most things you post on ...whats good for the goose and all that...and FYI nobodys getting upset , just posting opinions..thought you were all for that

[naomi24]

No one has suggested it's a criminal offence.

[bazwillrun]

"but I don't think it is a criminal offence to be so....similarly being pro-Europe"

perhaps it should be, as selling your country down the line is considered treasonous!

[ichkeria]

Don't the Mail and other papers frequently publish pieces by rather right-leaning personalities - many of them expats - doing exactly the same thing?

[jackthehat]

I was about to say that some people seem to hold the view that it ought to be......and then up pops baz.

[jno]

treason to say the British eat cake? lol

[andy-hughes]

bazwillrun - //In the 40's WW11 with the leftie attitude thats now infected and running rampant here, this country would have been "handed" over to and run by germany now..oh hold on ..

they (not all though ) seem more than happy to throw open the doors and allow anybody in and the more of them the better and if theyre not white then theyre really pleased...they seem to be embarassed about being white for some odd reason..they are a disgrace //

I think in your eagerness to trash the Left, you are allowing your perception of history to run away with you.

Specifically - you are putting the cart before the horse with regard to your assertion that 'leftie' attitudes would have cost Britain the war.

The reason why left-wing attitudes have been allowed to flourish in the last fifty years - rightly or wrongly is a separate debate - is because they have had the freedom to do so, freedom won by the generation that fought the war.

One of the problems with giving people freedom is that they won't always use it in the way that the givers think that they should - but that is essentially what freedom means.

It gives Ms. Thompson the freedom to express her opinion, Mr Glover the freedom to be highly paid for pandering to his readership, and it gives us the freedom to be upset, or in my case, to be not especially bothered.

Freedom is a wonderful concept, but if you start curtailing it because it doesn't do what you think it should, then it ceases to be freedom at all.

[andy-hughes]

bazwillrun - //"it's really not worth getting upset over."

advice youd do well to take heed of on most things you post on ...whats good for the goose and all that...and FYI nobodys getting upset , just posting opinions..thought you were all for that //

I am all for posting opinions, and if this thread can avoid spiralling into a personal attack-fest like they usually do, I will be all for that as well!

[Gromit]

Hardly a week goes by without some numpty like Ray Winstone promising to bigger off (they never do) because this country is finished.

And it is ironic that the poster who runs down the country most, with daily posts about how terrible everything is, is having at go at others.

[naomi24]

//Freedom is a wonderful concept, but if you start curtailing it because it doesn't do what you think it should, then it ceases to be freedom at all. //

Mmmm ... Tommy Robinson springs to mind.

[ichkeria]

What Geirge Orwell renounced of course was totalitarianism, not socialism. He lived at the time of Stalin and satirised then in Animal Farm (where each of the pigs stands for a famous Bolshevik) and 1984
But another book with reading is 'The Progressive Patriot' by Billy Bragg. It would be hard to find a more patriotic book by a left winger
Many 'lefties' do like to *** off their country of course as do many 'righties' Bot sure anyone side has the upper hand in that regard

[naomi24]

The question is 'Why Do The Lefties Loath Their Country So Much?' ... so nonsense aside, perhaps the 'lefties' could have a go a answering that. I'm blowed if I know.