Ladies Only Swimming?

[mushroom25]

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5223641/Hampstead-ladies-say-swimming-pond-not-gender-fluid.html

since it's becoming increasingly accepted that gender is less about chromosomes, appearance or reproductive ability but more a matter of state of mind not necessarily requiring reassignment intervention (and the gender recognition act 2004 is likely to be amended to reflect this), are the "X-X" denizens of the Kenwood Ladies Pond Association being a tad unreasonable?

[naomi24]

sp, And further to my post at 13:36 why should women have to concern themselves or be put at risk because other people have problems?

[sp1814]

naomi24

It would be fairly easy.

Men who have transitioned will have had hormone therapy and will have sorted out their hair and makeup.

Creeps who simply want to perv on women will look more like Heath Ledger when he dressed as a nurse in The Dark Knight.

[sp1814]

naomi24

Women are not at risk from other women, which is what trans women are.

[sp1814]

To clarify - I don’t care about gender neutral facilities myself, but I can understand that women don’t like them. If they were banned, I wouldn’t protest.

However, my point is about trans women using women’s toilets. I think that’s the right thing.

[naomi24]

sp, //Women are not at risk from other women, which is what trans women are. //

No they are not.

[sp1814]

Yes they are.

[sp1814]

They are women who have been born with the wrong physical body.

They have always been women, but with male reproductive organs.

Transitioning means that their bodies can be a representative approximation of what their minds are.

But...they are women.

A woman isn’t just a set of ovaries, Fallopian tubes and a vagina.

[naomi24]

sp, And yet at 23.18 last night you said ‘They're a type of woman’. Indeed they are. The fake type.

[Peter Pedant]

// Oh seriously!!
What a load of tripe!//

erm well it is AB
and the usual suspects are in full flow

[sp1814]

They’re not fake.

A woman born with the wrong set of genitals is still a woman.

Gender dysmorphia is a recognised condition.

[sp1814]

Women who use female toilets and changing rooms are in no danger from trans women.

[hereIam]

'A woman isn't just a set of ovaries, Fallopian tubes and a vagina'

But it's what makes us WOMEN !!!

[sp1814]

hereIam

So if a woman has a hysterectomy, does it mean she is no longer a woman?

Is she a former woman?

[pixie374]

SP, your own brain determines which body you have. It is impossible to have a female brain in a male body. That is just later misperception.

[Jahulaye]

Some might say They should use unisex pools and toilets until have gone through the whole gender reassignment but then you’d still have women who can tell they were once men and not wanting to swim, shower and toilet with them.

Are there men only facilities? If not why?

[hereIam]

No, because she still has a vagina. You really are dense sp, or think you are clever, which one ???

[naomi24]

sp, to put it simply, women are women. Men aren't.

[pixie374]

A DNA test would show a woman after a hysterectomy is just as female. It isn't all about private bits or wearing dresses.

[alavahalf]

Wouldn't the simple solution be ..
.. dig another pond for those in transition ?

[New Judge]

We’re missing the point here. The OP mentioned this:

“…since it's becoming increasingly accepted that gender is less about chromosomes, appearance or reproductive ability but more a matter of state of mind…”

Which I think is becoming more evidently true every day. That is all well and good for those who wish to “identify with” a different gender to the one which their physical attributes suggest they should do. But it is not much fun in some specific situations, for those around them who have decided to stick with what nature gave them.

“And my point remains the same...if a trans woman is really some creep bloke who wants to spy on women, or assault them - in a female changing room, or toilets, he will stick out like a sore thumb, and will be easily identifiable.”

And what is actually to be done about a person who is identified as such? He will have been told that his gender is a fluid concept and (effectively) he can choose whichever he likes – “just sign here, guv!”.

“…so how would you tell the genuine from the creep?”

You can’t. And that’s why the creep should not be allowed access to the female locker room simply by signing a bit of paper. And why should he have to dress up like Lily Savage anyway? I don’t see anything that suggests a self-certified female (who is actually a male) has to dress like a woman. All he has to say is “I identify as a female”. Along comes plod to arrest him and he simply produces his self-certificate.

You keep on going on about gender dysmorphia, sp. And I keep going on about people who have simply signed a piece of paper saying they are no longer a man but a woman. You seemed to have accepted the difference a while ago but now seem to have retracted.