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To Our Labour Supporters, What Will It Take For You To Withdraw That Support?
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Must have been a right little anti British love in.
Must have been a right little anti British love in.
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If there are British people who vote for Jeremy Corbyn at any future election, they do so in the knowledge they are voting for a man who has consistently put his own ideology ahead of British interests all his life. Whether it's his embracing of terrorists, disarming our armed forces or cosying up to our enemies, the man is a serious danger to British security....
11:44 Mon 19th Feb 2018
Eddie, nice try to deflect injury, but Corbyn’s penchant for rubbing shoulders with the unsavoury didn’t stop in the 60s. He has a very chequered history of associating with people whose interests are, to say the very least, highly questionable. As the OP asks, what will it take for you to withdraw your support for him?
Incidentally, thinking it intellectually astute to call the Mail the ‘Wail’ doesn’t change Corbyn’s agenda or his history so if you're trying to impress, it's not working.
Incidentally, thinking it intellectually astute to call the Mail the ‘Wail’ doesn’t change Corbyn’s agenda or his history so if you're trying to impress, it's not working.
David Morris has written to FASC chairman Tom Tugendhat asking him to bring Agent COB in for an evidence session to “allow the facts to be established and individuals to clear their name”. Here’s the letter:
Dear Mr Tugendhat,
It has recently been widely reported in the National Media that the leader of the Opposition, the Rt Hon Jeremy Corbyn MP had fraternised with a Soviet Bloc Czech Spymaster in the late 1980s. Included in the reports are statements made by the former spy master from the StB – the Statni Bezpecnost, Jan Sarkocy. These statements come from the man who was based in the Czech Embassy in London at the time and who should therefore be in a position to have some authority on the issue.
Given that it is widely accepted the Czech intelligence service had a track record of successfully penetrating Parliament – including the recruitment of at least two senior Labour MP’s – John Stonehouse and Will Owen there are strong grounds to warrant further investigation of these reports.
We are fortunate that a number of former Soviet Bloc Intelligence agencies have had their files preserved. The Stasi of the DDR have had many of their records preserved and they may also shed some light on the issue.
These are very serious and disturbing allegations given that the Leader of the Opposition wants to scrap Trident debasing our defence capability and national security.
Despite the efforts of some to play down these issues there are some serious allegations being made about a Member of this House. I have considered asking the ISC but as their primary role is oversight of the UK’s intelligence service and not foreign relations I feel that your committee is best placed to investigate. I also note that the allegations relate to activity over 20 years ago and so much of the information would not be restricted by Government secrecy rules. At the very least an evidence session from all those mentioned in recent news reports would allow the facts to be established and individuals to clear their name,
Kind regards,
David Morris MP
Dear Mr Tugendhat,
It has recently been widely reported in the National Media that the leader of the Opposition, the Rt Hon Jeremy Corbyn MP had fraternised with a Soviet Bloc Czech Spymaster in the late 1980s. Included in the reports are statements made by the former spy master from the StB – the Statni Bezpecnost, Jan Sarkocy. These statements come from the man who was based in the Czech Embassy in London at the time and who should therefore be in a position to have some authority on the issue.
Given that it is widely accepted the Czech intelligence service had a track record of successfully penetrating Parliament – including the recruitment of at least two senior Labour MP’s – John Stonehouse and Will Owen there are strong grounds to warrant further investigation of these reports.
We are fortunate that a number of former Soviet Bloc Intelligence agencies have had their files preserved. The Stasi of the DDR have had many of their records preserved and they may also shed some light on the issue.
These are very serious and disturbing allegations given that the Leader of the Opposition wants to scrap Trident debasing our defence capability and national security.
Despite the efforts of some to play down these issues there are some serious allegations being made about a Member of this House. I have considered asking the ISC but as their primary role is oversight of the UK’s intelligence service and not foreign relations I feel that your committee is best placed to investigate. I also note that the allegations relate to activity over 20 years ago and so much of the information would not be restricted by Government secrecy rules. At the very least an evidence session from all those mentioned in recent news reports would allow the facts to be established and individuals to clear their name,
Kind regards,
David Morris MP
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The above is today’s Times’ material re the right-wing nonsense about Jeremy Corbyn’s supposed ‘spying activities’. Even a 13-year old Media Studies pupil could spot the linguistic twistings and turnings that reveal the absurdity!
I paraphrase it below to reveal the threadbare nature of their case.
Jeremy Corbyn was targeted by communist spies IN THE HOPE THAT he could provide information about the British secret services…
The Labour MP would have been singled out by Jan Sarkocy, who was POSING as a diplomat. It’s POSSIBLE he ASSUMED that Jeremy Corbyn MAY obtain this kind of information.”
Mr Sarkocy initially CLAIMED that Mr Corbyn had been paid BUT in interviews yesterday appeared to suggest that other unnamed Labour MPs were given cash INSTEAD. The records suggest that Mr Corbyn HAD NOT BEEN PAID by Czechoslovak secret police.
Mr Corbyn would have been singled out because his anti-capitalist views made him more likely to pass on information, although THERE IS NOTHING TO SUGGEST THAT HE DID SO.
Mr Corbyn has THREATENED to sue a Tory vice-chairman, Ben Bradley, over a tweet saying that he “sold British secrets to Communist spies”. A spokesman for Mr Corbyn said: “Jeremy has instructed solicitors to contact Ben Bradley to DELETE his libellous tweet or face legal action. Mr Bradley DELETED it.
It seems Tories are easily coned, doesn't it?
That's the "question", by the way!
The above is today’s Times’ material re the right-wing nonsense about Jeremy Corbyn’s supposed ‘spying activities’. Even a 13-year old Media Studies pupil could spot the linguistic twistings and turnings that reveal the absurdity!
I paraphrase it below to reveal the threadbare nature of their case.
Jeremy Corbyn was targeted by communist spies IN THE HOPE THAT he could provide information about the British secret services…
The Labour MP would have been singled out by Jan Sarkocy, who was POSING as a diplomat. It’s POSSIBLE he ASSUMED that Jeremy Corbyn MAY obtain this kind of information.”
Mr Sarkocy initially CLAIMED that Mr Corbyn had been paid BUT in interviews yesterday appeared to suggest that other unnamed Labour MPs were given cash INSTEAD. The records suggest that Mr Corbyn HAD NOT BEEN PAID by Czechoslovak secret police.
Mr Corbyn would have been singled out because his anti-capitalist views made him more likely to pass on information, although THERE IS NOTHING TO SUGGEST THAT HE DID SO.
Mr Corbyn has THREATENED to sue a Tory vice-chairman, Ben Bradley, over a tweet saying that he “sold British secrets to Communist spies”. A spokesman for Mr Corbyn said: “Jeremy has instructed solicitors to contact Ben Bradley to DELETE his libellous tweet or face legal action. Mr Bradley DELETED it.
It seems Tories are easily coned, doesn't it?
That's the "question", by the way!
Q.M. //Mr Corbyn has THREATENED to sue a Tory vice-chairman, Ben Bradley, over a tweet saying that he “sold British secrets to Communist spies”. //
There may be no evidence that he SOLD secrets, and that was why it was removed, but it doesn't mean that information wasn't given.
Information can come in many forms, simply discussing the politics of the day, and who has said what, can be of value.
What the hell was he and his other communists pals doing consorting with Czech secret police anyway?
There may be no evidence that he SOLD secrets, and that was why it was removed, but it doesn't mean that information wasn't given.
Information can come in many forms, simply discussing the politics of the day, and who has said what, can be of value.
What the hell was he and his other communists pals doing consorting with Czech secret police anyway?
Q.M. This story is huge and has been the main concern of Westminster since the story broke, and yet the BBC remains quiet. As Stephen Glover wrote in yesterday’s Daily Mail:
“The BBC’s refusal to report either the allegations against Corbyn, or the unequivocal denials of his aides, amounts to a dereliction of duty. It recalls the political bias it showed in the early Blair years until – following the manifest half-truths of the Iraq War – some even-handedness was restored.”.
Is it because you rely on the BBC for news that you find this to be a non-story of "right-wing nonsense" ?
“The BBC’s refusal to report either the allegations against Corbyn, or the unequivocal denials of his aides, amounts to a dereliction of duty. It recalls the political bias it showed in the early Blair years until – following the manifest half-truths of the Iraq War – some even-handedness was restored.”.
Is it because you rely on the BBC for news that you find this to be a non-story of "right-wing nonsense" ?
Khandro.Belated report from theBBC
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Khandro, if you had even half an eye to see it, you would have noticed that my contribution above at 12.27 was based ENTIRELY on material from The Times. Consequently, it clearly isn't because I "rely on the BBC for news" that I hold the views on this matter that I do.
More to the point, I'd say, is why YOU have nothing to say about the fact that the right-wing-supporting Times stated, "There is nothing to suggest" that Mr Corbyn did pass on any information.
The whole matter is a farrago of Tory nonsense, merely attempting to sling mud they hope will stick at the next election!
More to the point, I'd say, is why YOU have nothing to say about the fact that the right-wing-supporting Times stated, "There is nothing to suggest" that Mr Corbyn did pass on any information.
The whole matter is a farrago of Tory nonsense, merely attempting to sling mud they hope will stick at the next election!
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Q.M. I can only reiterate what I said above, "What the hell was he and his other communists pals doing consorting with Czech secret police anyway?"
To which I can now add - and taking visits to Moscow paid for by the USSR?
Ken Livingstone tries to shrug it off by saying how they (his group) were too left-wing for them, ha-ha.
But there's no smoke without fire.
To which I can now add - and taking visits to Moscow paid for by the USSR?
Ken Livingstone tries to shrug it off by saying how they (his group) were too left-wing for them, ha-ha.
But there's no smoke without fire.
Corbyn has the easy answer to criticism of his past;
'Jeremy Corbyn has warned the media that “change is coming” if he becomes prime minister as he described disclosures about his meetings with a Communist spy as “lies and smears”.
The Labour leader suggested newspapers including the Telegraph had investigated his links to former Czechoslovakian agent Jan Sarkocy because they are “worried” by the prospect of a Labour government.
But Conservative MPs accused him of wanting to “muzzle” the press, which had investigated “a matter of public interest”.'
Today's Telegraph
'Jeremy Corbyn has warned the media that “change is coming” if he becomes prime minister as he described disclosures about his meetings with a Communist spy as “lies and smears”.
The Labour leader suggested newspapers including the Telegraph had investigated his links to former Czechoslovakian agent Jan Sarkocy because they are “worried” by the prospect of a Labour government.
But Conservative MPs accused him of wanting to “muzzle” the press, which had investigated “a matter of public interest”.'
Today's Telegraph
This was the response sent by the Stasi Records Agency (BStU) to Guido when he asked for Corbyn’s file way back in 2016. They cited sections 32 and 33 of the Stasi Records Act, which provide exemptions for:
records containing personal data, records containing personal data regarding holders of political functions or a public office
There is a way personal data about holders of political office can be released:
if the persons concerned have given their written consent specifying the name of the applicant specifying the name of the applicant, the project and the persons who will carry it out
Corbyn has the chance to clear his name if he tells the BStU he is happy for them to release his file. Otherwise it will remain secret until his death, at which point it can be released. So Jeremy, if you could just sign a consent form for us we’ll clear this all up…
Guido Fawkes
records containing personal data, records containing personal data regarding holders of political functions or a public office
There is a way personal data about holders of political office can be released:
if the persons concerned have given their written consent specifying the name of the applicant specifying the name of the applicant, the project and the persons who will carry it out
Corbyn has the chance to clear his name if he tells the BStU he is happy for them to release his file. Otherwise it will remain secret until his death, at which point it can be released. So Jeremy, if you could just sign a consent form for us we’ll clear this all up…
Guido Fawkes
So, Khandro, you still have nothing to say in response to the article in The Times which stated, "Mr Corbyn would have been singled out because his anti-capitalist views made him more likely to pass on information, although THERE IS NOTHING TO SUGGEST THAT HE DID SO. (Pease note the word, 'nothing'. It means zero, zilch, nada! You have no evidence whatsoever.)
TTT, Mr Corbyn happily admitted he had met a Czech diplomat, because that is all the man was as far as he knew. Few MPs who have gone abroad return without meeting appropriate diplomats. Priti Patel, for example, recently met the entire Israeli cabinet, I believe! Could she be sure everyone in these people's entourages was NOT an agent?
Hence your query as to why Mr Corbyn was meeting (quote) "Soviet Bloc AGENTS" is a non-starter, unless of course you have actual evidence that he KNEW the man was an agent.
But you don't, so - just like Khandro's "evidence" - yours is non-existent, too.
TTT, Mr Corbyn happily admitted he had met a Czech diplomat, because that is all the man was as far as he knew. Few MPs who have gone abroad return without meeting appropriate diplomats. Priti Patel, for example, recently met the entire Israeli cabinet, I believe! Could she be sure everyone in these people's entourages was NOT an agent?
Hence your query as to why Mr Corbyn was meeting (quote) "Soviet Bloc AGENTS" is a non-starter, unless of course you have actual evidence that he KNEW the man was an agent.
But you don't, so - just like Khandro's "evidence" - yours is non-existent, too.
QM; I don't have any evidence either way - but neither do you. There is a serious question being asked and the Stasi have a file on him, which in itself is a little worrying, if he has done nothing wrong, he can easily clear his name by having the files released.
As to his statement that if he ever gets into No.10 he will gag the press so that this kind of question can't be asked of him, his uncle Joe (Stalin) would be proud of him.
As to his statement that if he ever gets into No.10 he will gag the press so that this kind of question can't be asked of him, his uncle Joe (Stalin) would be proud of him.
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