Why Has This Taken 9 Years To Come Out?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45753889

[kvalidir]

So you think the majority of rich, famous or powerful men are sex offenders? That's bizarre to say the least. I don't really know how to answer that tbh, it's such a strange thing to voice I think unless I've misunderstood you. Let's be really honest here MOST men, whatever their social or financial standing are absolutely decent humans beings who would not dream of raping anyone.

[ummmm]

It's simple AL...most men are not rapists.

[AuntLydia]

Ummmm // It's simple AL...most men are not rapists.//

Thanks for pointing that out. Which means Ronaldo is 100% innocent until proved otherwise.

[AuntLydia]

kval I'll try and clarify. You made a huge statement that rich and famous men NEVER have allegations thrown at them for rape because most men don't rape. Can't argue about the last part, but my point was how the hell do you know if one of your rich and famous men have sexually assaulted someone? you are making huge assumptions.

[jakep]

The photos of them them together, in the night club, before the intercourse, look to me as if she is relaxed with him and enjoying his attentions.
Yes I know that she has a right to say no right up until the deed. There are only two people who will ever know the real truth.
One has offered a pay off and one has accepted it.
A difficult one

[AuntLydia]

jakep, I've seen that photo and to be hones it looks more like a 'fan pic'.
I believe they had sex, I believe it was consensual,I believe ronaldo was wrong to have given her hush money and the matter should have been dealt with at the time.
Unfortunately whatever happened he is now up sh&t creek

[kvalidir]

I said 'MOST' rich, famous and powerful men don't have rape allegations made about them AL, not ALL, because MOST men are not rapists.

[ummmm]

I said the same as Kval. MOST

[AuntLydia]

Here we go again the dynamic duo pointing out typo's lol

[kvalidir]

No AL, there is a difference between me saying:-
'Rich, famous and powerful men never have rape allegations thrown at them' and
'MOST rich, famous and powerful men never have rape allegations thrown at them'
It's not a typo it's a massive difference in meaning.

[AuntLydia]

Oh Dear.

[ToraToraTora]

Probably had designs on joining the WAG circuit, spat the dummy out when he elbowed her. Took $350k at the time, later, skint, got wound up by some bl00d sucking lawyer to go after more, woman scorned etc. end of.

[jackthehat]

It seems it is far more comfortable for some people to believe that the accuser is the one with dubious morals.
You are wise enough to pepper your posts with 'probably's' but the bald facts are that you don't believe there was a rape in the first place.
And you wonder why women are reluctant to come forwards....

[Sqad]

The definition of rape has changed over my lifespan and to me it was a clear incident of a man hiding, skulking in the bushes, in the dark, jumping out at an unsuspecting female, dragging her into the undergrowth, tearing off her clothes and having intercourse with her.
That is my ideal of rape and usually the evidence is clear for all to see....vaginal bruising and tearing, scratching on the inside of the thighs etc.

BUT now.....it is penetration when the woman says .."No!"....husband and wife...boyfriend and girlfriend....one night stands.....and it all depend on the testimony of both parties......

For me, there are degrees of "rape" as it is now described and i would gather, but not sure, that the Judiciary would take this into consideration.....but i fear that it will not.......his word against hers.

The wealthy fellow is a sitting duck.

[jackthehat]

Rape is the 'sex-bit'....the other bit is 'assault'...

[Sqad]

JTH......right.......

[dannyk13]

Sqad
The Sexual Offences Act 2003 states that the definition of ‘rape' is the penetration with a penis of a vagina, anus or the mouth of another person when consent has not been given.

[AuntLydia]

JTH I don't think anyone is 'comfortable' thinking the accuser is of 'dubious morals'. People are just looking at what has been published and making their own conclusions. The Press have just about decided Ronaldo is guilty anyway.

[ummmm]

I really despair...

[Sqad]

Dannny...I know1 I know1 I know! that has been thrust down my throat (pun not intended) time and time again, but i was trying to make the point that rape, as i know it) had diagnostic signs whereas the new definition hasn't.
JTH....sorry i don't understand that...the charges or Rape and Assault in it's various forms are different charges.....but my knowledge of the law is minimal.