Why Has This Taken 9 Years To Come Out?

[ToraToraTora]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-45753889

[ladybirder]

JtH it is because she took money to keep quiet therefore allowing him to continue this behaviour if he should choose to do so, that makes her morals dubious in my opinion.

[kvalidir]

Rape is so complex, and yet so easy to understand.
Even if she went back with him with the idea of having sex with him which she maybe did, the second she changes her mind and he carries on regardless it's rape.
Now in established relationships no-one expects their partner to say 'Is it okay if I have sex with you?' because frankly that's a passion killer, but men need to be able to 'read' women, and when you are with a partner for the first time that's doubly true.
Even if she didn't say 'No!', if she's trying to move away or resisting being kissed or touched that is enough. Any man with half a brain ought to realise she's not consenting and then ought to back off.
Why do some people on this thread find that hard to believe and understand, and some of them aren't even men?

[Sqad]

Kvali....excellent and i agree........but unless you are a third party watching, then the evidence is hearsay....yer but no but.

[jackthehat]

It could be the fact that she believed it was a 'one-off', something that he was deeply apologetic about, entirely out of character and he treated her with respect and dignity (afterwards, naturally) and gave her a monetary opportunity to get on with her life; as an apology and a gesture of goodwill but naturally, a man in his position, yada, yada....please sign this disclaimer.. etc. etc. And then she reads that he's under investigation for doing it again and realises that there are possibly more victims of his out there and now and berates herself for keeping quiet but recognises that with the support of the #metoo movement a group of women can provide the sort of pressure on a serial, celebrity abuser that a lone voice can't?

Just as likely.....

[AuntLydia]

kval //Any man with half a brain ought to realise she's not consenting and then ought to back off.
Why do some people on this thread find that hard to believe and understand, and some of them aren't even men?//

No female on this thread has written anything that contradicts 'no means no'.

[SparklyKid]

Maybe she was too busy counting the cash in her head, just saying.

[kvalidir]

True Sqad, and tbh I don't know if he's guilty or not, but I dislike the notion bandied about on here that because she was paid off afterwards she wasn't raped, that's very possibly not true and the two things are irrelevant to one another.

[Sqad]

Kval....I am no expert ( he lies;-)......but some women use the "no, please no!...ooooh! don't........as a pre orgasmic fantasy.
How do you spot those?

[Sqad]

Kvali....that is my point.........only the two involved know the truth, but for the man, the decision made by that absent adjudicator, may well be life threatening...........to both or either.

[jackthehat]

Did you ever read up on 'Force Fantasies' like I suggested the last several times you posted that bit of uninformed nonsense, sqad?

[Arksided]

TTT... Probably had designs on joining the WAG circuit, spat the dummy out when he elbowed her. Took 350k at the time, later, skint, got wound up by some bl00d sucking lawyer to go after more, woman scorned etc. end of.

I'm inclined to agree with your opinion on this.

[kvalidir]

Indeed Sqad and not wishing to derail the thread further by massive elaboration, we have a 'safeword' which you would NEVER say during sex, so you make allowances for yourselves and what you might get up to by ensuring that you have a way of communicating genuine lack of consent.

[Sqad]

No JTH.....my comments come, not through reading someone else's ideas, but from my own experiences.

Try heterosexual experiences sometime.........oh! but i bet you have.

[SparklyKid]

How can you have a "safeword" with a complete stranger ?

[Sqad]

Kvali......LOL.....I am sure that is meaningful, but it is lost on me..LOL

[SparklyKid]

funny

[jackthehat]

1. My point exactly.....thank you.

2. Why?

[ummmm]

Why get insulting, Sqad

AL....I can't see any typo.

[Sqad]

JTH...don't get excited, just ignore my ill informed nonsensical usual reply.

[jackthehat]

I do.

But other people might, erroneously, believe it has merit...