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People's Vote?
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lots of chatter on here (and elsewhere) for a "people's vote" - a second referendum, it's also been described as. well now Mr Corbyn is looking to get behind the campaign:-
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with both parties polarised by Brexit, what chance of the "people's vote" receiving a parliamentary majority? and, more importantly, what would the question be - a simple yes/no choice, or more options to choose from?
ignore, for now, the charge that a second vote cold be "undemocratic".....
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with both parties polarised by Brexit, what chance of the "people's vote" receiving a parliamentary majority? and, more importantly, what would the question be - a simple yes/no choice, or more options to choose from?
ignore, for now, the charge that a second vote cold be "undemocratic".....
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The best argument for a second referendum is that it might produce a Remain result and therefore pull us out of this ghastly mess.
Which is to all intents and purposes the same gamble which got us into it in the first place.
And what happens if the second referendum is (say) 48:52 in favour of Remain, but on a lower turnout? You then have competing mandates between the first and second referenda and that will make things considerably worse.
Our democracy is designed to work through parliament, not through referenda. The solution to it has to ultimately come from there.
Which is to all intents and purposes the same gamble which got us into it in the first place.
And what happens if the second referendum is (say) 48:52 in favour of Remain, but on a lower turnout? You then have competing mandates between the first and second referenda and that will make things considerably worse.
Our democracy is designed to work through parliament, not through referenda. The solution to it has to ultimately come from there.
I don’t like the term “people’s vote” either but I think the reason it’s been given that name is because it is an alternative to “parliament’s vote”. If you remember this all started because people thought parliament would probably vote a deal through that was not necessarily what people expected when they voted in 2016. In fact to start with it was not going to be the case that parliament was going to be able to vote at all. Had it not been for Gina Miller and her court case then Jacob Rees Mogg (unautocorrected from Jacob Rees Mogadishu!!) and co would have been force to accept Brexit.
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The Fixed-Term Parliaments Act introduced by the coalition Government in 2011 makes it harder for a Prime Minister to call a snap general election, but by no means impossible.
Before then, a Prime Minister could call an election whenever he or she chose within a five year limit, giving just six weeks notice.
The Fixed-Term Parliaments Act gave a specific date for general elections to take place every five years, but there are ways to get round it.
So if we required to kick out the gov, the PM (of the gov we'd want to kick out) would have to call a snap GE which gives them 6 weeks? This wouldn't have to be done either..
So in reality we'd have 5 years of the choice we made to then have another choice. Which we'd then live with for 5 years. That's a long time.
So in reality we'd have 5 years of the choice we made to then have another choice. Which we'd then live with for 5 years. That's a long time.
I really can't see that a 'People's Vote' is anything less than the original Referendum was in terms of the will of the electorate.
Calling it a 'People's Vote' infers that 'the people' didn't vote last time - of course they did, but sections of MP's are not happy with that result.
Laughably, Lord Heseltine is proffering the absurd notion that the majority of who voted to leave Europe were 'old', and are now dead(!) and 'young' people didn't have a vote!
That makes a mockery of the democratic system. Since its inception, if your birthday that took your age to voting status was a day after an election, you didn't get to vote, and if you died the day after the election, your vote was still counted.
That has not changed, and the piffle that 'young people' are having their futures messed with by 'old people' out of some undefined notion of spite and malice is too laughable to be given credence, except by yesterday's men like Lord Heseltine, who like to their opinion still matters, and that they still have valid influence on the future of the country.
I don't recall Lord Heseltine and the Conservative Remainers questioning the validity of the elections that got them into government - where was their 'People's Vote' then?
Apart from Hesltine, and some upstart MP's who think their egos are more important that democratic process, the idea of a 'People's Vote' is as laughable as its name, and it should be dismissed for the meddling ego-tripping farce that it is.
Calling it a 'People's Vote' infers that 'the people' didn't vote last time - of course they did, but sections of MP's are not happy with that result.
Laughably, Lord Heseltine is proffering the absurd notion that the majority of who voted to leave Europe were 'old', and are now dead(!) and 'young' people didn't have a vote!
That makes a mockery of the democratic system. Since its inception, if your birthday that took your age to voting status was a day after an election, you didn't get to vote, and if you died the day after the election, your vote was still counted.
That has not changed, and the piffle that 'young people' are having their futures messed with by 'old people' out of some undefined notion of spite and malice is too laughable to be given credence, except by yesterday's men like Lord Heseltine, who like to their opinion still matters, and that they still have valid influence on the future of the country.
I don't recall Lord Heseltine and the Conservative Remainers questioning the validity of the elections that got them into government - where was their 'People's Vote' then?
Apart from Hesltine, and some upstart MP's who think their egos are more important that democratic process, the idea of a 'People's Vote' is as laughable as its name, and it should be dismissed for the meddling ego-tripping farce that it is.
