Brexit - What If?

[Arrods]

The PM swallows his pride, sends the extension request to Brussels and it's refused (as one French minister has opined). What then?

[THECORBYLOON]

OG, no, in effect the Queen has delegated the RP to the Government in certain circumstances and that means they don't need Parliament's consent.

[Old_Geezer]

a) PM considering act, has RP, just goes and does it or not as they decide.
b) PM considering act, hasn't RP, parliament has to approve. Then what ? Does it have to get approved by the sovereign first ? Must do or it's not relevant. Ok.

[naomi24]

The EU is finished negotiating and the deal on offer has been rejected three times. An extension to what purpose? To ask for another extension ... and then another ... and another. That's one way to keep this country tied permanently to the EU.

[New Judge]

Quite so naomi.

Under the current Parliament we cannot leave at all. Quite how the "Honourable" members can preside over such a mess is anybody's guess but since 80% of them never wanted to leave anyway it's no surprise.

[jim360]

It is 400-450 or 80%? :)

(And besides, some who wanted to remain would accept leaving on terms that are at least not dreadful.)

[Peter Pedant]

all bets are off

[naomi24]

//Quite how the "Honourable" members can preside over such a mess is anybody's guess //

Honour is a thing of the past in our once great Mother of Parliaments.

[jim360]

You give up way too easily. :P

There's honour left in Parliament. Don't confuse dishonour with disagreement.

[THECORBYLOON]

OG, if by "act" you mean an Act of Parliament, then yes, it needs Assent before it becomes law.

[naomi24]

Jim, //There's honour left in Parliament. Don't confuse dishonour with disagreement. //

No confusion here. Deliberately thwarting democracy is dishonourable. Utterly dishonourable. No two ways about that.

[tonyav]

Honour is a thing of the past in our once great Mother of Parliaments.

To right, naomi. If there was any honour brexit would have been done and dusted before now and we would no longer be part of the EU as what the people voted for.

[tonyav]

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[jim360]

Nobody is deliberately thwarting democracy, except possibly those who are proposing deliberately to ignore the law.

If you want to deliver Brexit, then a democratic means is still open to you. Vote for MPs who believe in it. Then you'll get what you want. But until then, the present lot are entitled to exercise their best judgement as they see fit, and block a path forward that they see as damaging for the country. Refusing to countenance a No Deal Brexit is not thwarting democracy, not even remotely.

[naomi24]

Jim, //the present lot are entitled to exercise their best judgement as they see fit, and block a path forward that they see as damaging for the country.//

The present lot are, like you, overriding the wishes of the majority of the electorate by saying that they know best – and in that arrogant process they are trashing something that all who live in a free society should hold dear…. democracy. Shame on the lot of them.

//Refusing to countenance a No Deal Brexit is not thwarting democracy, not even remotely.//

You keep telling yourself that.

[tonyav]

Vote for MPs who believe in it. Then you'll get what you want.

I have, and she has voted with Boris every time.

[jim360]

Like I say, MPs who don't want a No Deal are using their best judgement. Hold them to account for it if you don't like it. That's how democracy works. Forcing somebody to do something they think is bad for their country and their constituents, on the other hand, is not. And expecting a politician to do something they see as a mistake is, at the very least, a strange expectation.

Brexit has exposed a great deal of problems in this country, but democracy will survive this and perhaps even emerge stronger for it -- and I expect that to be true no matter what the outcome.

[naomi24]

Jim, //Hold them to account for it if you don't like it. //

I shouldn't have to. The democratic process put them where they are - and that's what I expect them to uphold.

[tonyav]

but democracy will survive this and perhaps even emerge stronger for it -- and I expect that to be true no matter what the outcome.

I don't. I think people will remember what a bunch of traitors most of them are for trying to overturn the result of the referendum.

[naomi24]

I agree, Tony. How history will record this disgraceful episode is anyone's guess.

[jim360]

The very nature of the democratic process in this country is about giving MPs a mandate to exercise *their* judgement, and then holding them to account at the end of it.

The 2016 referendum is no exception to this, either. MPs were instructed to leave the EU, but the details and implementation were still left to them. They are entitled to reject a given approach if they feel it's not in the best interests of the country.

I know I've said this like 100 billion times before but it still bears repeating.