Freeeeeedom!

[ToraToraTora]

what else can I say........

[anneasquith]

Silence for the singer, jourdain is up first. ( she insisted )

[shoota]

'I just have contempt for the attitude that we were in any sense part of a tyranny, in any sense subjugated.'
The possibility of that ever becoming a reality has been greatly reduced, which, you must agree, is a good thing.
I'm fairly sure that farmers and small businesses subject to endless EU regulations felt tyrannised.

[jim360]

I don't even remotely agree that the prospects of living under a tyranny have been reduced (or, for that matter, increased) by leaving the EU. And if the closest you can get to any semblance of tyranny is EU Regulations then ... well, that's rather a weak definition, again, is all.

[ToraToraTora]

apc, bang on also

[Old_Geezer]

We weren't asked if we wished to join. After 2 years we were asked if we wanted to pull out so soon after being forced in by Heath, whilst being assured that any suggestion we'd lose democracy was just propaganda. Hardly joined willingly, or with full information. Just lied to. Pushing towards unagreed federalism whilst not having the last word on how we do things in our own nation, but having to obey the unelected Commission, is as good a definition of subjugation as one needs.

[chrissa1]

Thank you for my BA, TTT. I was just trying to make it clear that us “leavers” are not racist or stupid. We wanted to join the CM to make trade easier between our countries, not to be told what to do by “unelected “ (I can’t find the word.)

[maggiebee]

Just going to sit back and wait for the massive cash injection to the NHS. As Boris said on the side of his bus "We send the EU £350 million, let's fund our NHS instead."

[Mozz71]

//Hardly joined willingly, or with full information. Just lied to.//

Which, ironically, is how Leave convinced 17m people to vote for them in the referendum.

Hey ho. Well its done now so let's see what happens.

[Old_Geezer]

There's no mention an increase would be massive. There are many calls on our future wealth.

[Old_Geezer]

Hardly ironically. As per last time, the lies tended to be from the Europhiles. All their stories of doom and gloom have failed to materialise this time. And once again, they pretend the leave supporters are the ones spreading propaganda. Seems like business as usual to me.

[naomi24]

Here I am quietly contemplating Shakespeare who wisely wrote ‘Truth will out’ - and it did.

Contempt? Hugely ironic in this instance - but a useful word in my vocabulary too.

Happy Brexit all. Onwards and upwards.

[jim360]

I don't believe I've ever implied that Leave voters were racist, chrissa. On the other hand, Remain voters don't have a slave mentality, which is and always has been the obvious implication of this stupid EUSSR jibe; nor did we want anything other than the best for our country, making all that VBQ stuff nothing other than offensive nonsense that should never have entered public/AB discourse.

All I'm asking for, then, is a bit of perspective. The UK has made a decision that I cannot support, and now we will see who was right about its benefits; but we haven't thrown off an imperialist yoke, we are not suddenly free from oppression, this is not in any sense our "Independence Day".

But I can honestly say that I've never hoped more to have been wrong in my life. In five years' time, nothing would give me more pleasure than to think of myself today as wrong, blinded to the benefits of this choice.

[shoota]

Those of us who aren't socialist, or even just 'left wing' consider living under socialist Brussels a tyranny.
Plus, you must concede, far fetched as it seems at the moment, if the wrong people are allowed into power in Brussels true tyranny would be easy to achieve, especially if the Euro army becomes a reality.
I'm glad to have played a small part in our exit and fervently hope that we are the keystone that brings the whole caboodle down so that we may replace it with something sensible.

[royfromaus]

The 'Best answer' isn't strictly a correct answer.

[shoota]

But there again, the OP isn't strictly speaking a question...

[jim360]

//
Plus, you must concede, far fetched as it seems at the moment, if the wrong people are allowed into power in Brussels true tyranny would be easy to achieve, especially if the Euro army becomes a reality. //

Stuff and nonsense. The EU Commission is answerable to the EU Council and to the EU Parliament. There was never any question of tyranny.

I don't understand why it should even be necessary to have put forward such tripe. What's wrong with sticking to a more general philosophical position that prefers, say, national to supranational government, without adding all this guff of "tyranny"?

[naomi24]

//The UK has made a decision that I cannot support//

Who cares?

[shoota]

Blinkered Jim, blinkered.

[jim360]

Nobody should care, I suppose, although it's not entirely surprising to see you quote the first part rather than the more important second part of that sentence -- which was my actual point.

[naomi24]

Jim, I don't care.