How Much Longer Are People Going To Meekly Roll Over And Accept These Draconian Rules?

[dave50]

The damage being done to our economy is incalculable yet I see people in the street being interviewed on the news saying they accept it and its nessasary and they will comply and some saying it doesn't go far enough. Do these people understand how the economy works? I seriously doubt it. The only people who dare mildly disagree are the business owners of bars and restaurants who are in real danger of having to close down permanently. When the tsunami of unemployed start rolling down the track after furlough is ended, these same people who are calling for the lock down to continue will then be blaming the government for the increase in unemployment. I really do despair.

[jim360]

// Do what you want, just as I will do exactly what I want. //

Subject, of course, to the rule of law, which, like it or not, places restrictions on individual freedoms in the interest of the health of others. Society relies on people accepting laws they don't always agree with.

[bobbinwales]

Agreed jim, although its easier off course with the benifit of hindsight to see that the important reopening of schools and unis should of been coupled in late August/ September with more tightenings elsewhere such as pubs or on travel to work, or with more testing for famlies of pupils returning to school. It never ocurred to me or to anyone AFAIK tho at the time , as rates were falling in most areas apart from a few areas like Leicester and Balckburn with multigeneration large households

[Bobbisox1]

Question to the OP
It's customary to ' take part' in threads you've put up, this isn't the first time you've posted then just never bothered getting involved ,is there a reason?

[dave50]

If the old and vulnerable feel unsafe mixing with their families, then dont mix with them, nobody is forcing them to.

[dave50]

Pubs have spent thousands making them covid safe and seems it's still not enough even though there's no evidence that they are a main cause of the virus spreading.

[bobbinwales]

Maybe youve never been in a pub especially at the end of the night on friday/saturday and seen how people lose there inhibitions and forget social distancing as they sing, shout and hug (and more) others

[Bobbisox1]

Oh hi Dave 50 , nice to see ya ;))

[bobbinwales]

Pubs that are table service with drink only served with food seemed fairley safe to me tho, especially with outside seating. Safer than schools and hairdressers for example

[Jackdaw33]

Like many others, I fail to see the reasoning behind certain prohibitions. I am baffled by the one where pubs in the lower tiers are allowed to open provided they serve 'substantial meals'. Leaving aside the question of what constitutes a substantial meal, can anyone tell me how the chances of infection are reduced by eating such? I was also told today, although I don't know whether it's true, that provided the pub serves such meals there is no obligation to buy one, you can just buy a drink.

[grumpy01]

The thinking on these rules and the Christmas “truce” seem far from joined up.

[New Judge]

//Maybe youve never been in a pub especially at the end of the night on friday/saturday and seen how people lose there inhibitions and forget social distancing as they sing, shout and hug (and more) others//

You're frequenting the wrong places, bobbin. The vast majority of pubs are nothing like that and I've never seen a restaurant (which are subject to the same restrictions) where anybody behaves like that. Many hospitality outlets make 25% to 30% of their annual profits in December. This government (and I'm a Tory supporter so it hurts me to say this) is presiding over the systematic destruction of an enormously important industry. It is doing so without there being any evidence that these places are any more responsible than anywhere else for the spread of infections.

//Leaving aside the question of what constitutes a substantial meal,..//

https://triplepointbrewing.co.uk/breweryshop/substantial

[jim360]

It certainly puts 2008 into more context, huh.

[Old_Geezer]

People are too scared to stand up to bad laws & rules. No one wants hassle in their life, so the public are very manipulable. This may be a test of that. We know masks don't help (see recent Danish investigation) but their still mandatory by order of the control freak government. Western values are being trampled underfoot. The sooner they opt for a light touch just the keep hospital admissions at a tolerable level, and let the general population get on with catching cov and getting immune, the better. I don't recognise this world of nations any more. They have no backbone. They just want to hide away. No resilience to life's problems; past generations, sat on their cloud, playing their harp, must be sad to see what we've become.

[bluemoon1]

Does anybody know how things are in Wuhan now?

As this is the place where it all started surely the news people should be telling us how live is there at the moment, if only to give us a glimmer of hope or even some idea of how long this is going to carry on for.

[Bobbisox1]

Thank you blue moon , no one ever mentions this

[andres]

Pubs are safe places??? One of the pub landladies in our local area died a month ago at the age of 56.

[Jackdaw33]

^^ But was that solely attributed to Covid?

[andres]

yes^^^.

[Untitled]

Masks do help at reducing transmission.

[bobbinwales]

Judge you must of missed my post immediately after my first when a said about restraints altho a realise you like to be selective in trying to rubbish all my points even tho they seem to be supported by all scientists, doctors ( ask a gp , oh you'll say its shut) and all political parties in all 4 nations but still you think your right and there wrong. Maybe you should stand for election . Why not support your goverment so we are all doing the same thing rather than whingeing and picking holes and mocking peopel like me until this virus is gone hopefully by summer