Not Sure Tiers And Lockdowns Are Working.

[Sunk]

Where I live we have been in tier 3 for 8 weeks including a month long lockdown.

But new cases are rising alarmingly, up 100 on the previous week.

Soon everyone will be in tier 4. But it just isn’t working.

[ichkeria]

You can’t do a complete lockdown. Quite simply. Certainly not in the UK anyway.
You can just do the best you can. It’s like trying to catch the breeze. Almost literally in fact.

[pixie374]

Purely out of interest, bobbin. Hypothetically, If we had done a total lockdown for 3 weeks, until the virus had died out. How many people would have died in that time, if you take into account "nobody", including NHS, shop or care staff, or other keyworkers working...
Would it have been more than 70,000 in those three weeks? How many would that have been?

[eve1974]

I reckon all tiers / lockdowns do is delay the inevitable. Tho I understand the need to slow it down for the hospitals etc.

As for the numbers - well more tests, will equal more positive results. And many are asymptomatic.
I wonder what the results would be if they tested so many people for normal colds and / or flu. I wonder if the results would be similar>
?

[Togo]

//I'm really sick of getting up to all this moaning about covid.//

Haha. Says the "moaner in chief".
Meanwhile in a world where covid rates fell by 15% in a week and possibly the worst storm this year battered the UK the op reports the opposite, for both, in the warped imagination bubble that it came from.

[New Judge]

//Bobbin, even your tier 6 version, isn't a lockdown. It would have had to be a total lockdown. It would have cost lives.... not 70,000 plus though.//

And how many people would have died of other critical diseases or, perhaps, starvation. You cannot keep everybody away from everybody else. It's simply not possible. The human race cannot "defeat" or "wipe out" a virus like Covid. It must learn to live with it as best it can.

[eve1974]

//The human race cannot "defeat" or "wipe out" a virus like Covid. It must learn to live with it as best it can.//


agree!

[woofgang]

the ones who had starved, or collapsed and not been cared for? or who had died from gas leaks, hypothermia, falls, or who had been bedbound in their own ordure because no carers? Because that's what complete lockdown means

[eve1974]

I wonder when Boris will address the nation next re covid? I think it's supposed to be 30th? I think schools might close...lets see...

[pixie374]

NJ, that was my question. You might know, as well as anyone, if we had literally done that. How many people would have died, in 3 weeks? If nobody at all went to work or left their houses?

[pixie374]

Woof, I understand what it means. I'm slightly autistic tbh and I like accurate statistics. I'm not saying it would be preferable, I'm just asking how many deaths q total lockdown would have caused.

[Untitled]

As bobbi says the spring lockdown actually was quite effective but we gave up on it.

Fundamentally though the most important thing when it comes to dealing with pandemics is act early - if you can nip it in the bud you will be in a much better position later on. Our leaders failed to do that.

[Bobbisox1]

Togo, TC was giving her dig, not very original tho, haha

https://www.theanswerbank.co.uk/ChatterBank/Question1733354.html

[eve1974]

The issue with that, pixie, is even if uk had've had total lockdown right in the beginning ... the virus would have continued in the rest of the world. So after the initial hard lockdown
All it would take is one person getting off a boat, a plane, coming through the channel tunnel etc...it just takes one person to bring it in.

[pixie374]

Eve, again... I'm not recommending it, I was just asking if anyone had the numbers.
And in reality, we can stop people coming to the UK of we really wanted to...

[emmie]

which is how it started presumably, how the new varient has caught a hold by two people bringing it back from SA to the UK>

[eve1974]

Whatever the solution is though....the current tiers are not it. Nor was "lockdown". Learning to live with it as NJ said may be the only way. Unfortunately the sad thing is that means people will die ...and people are loved ones not simply statistics but... I can't see any other way

[eve1974]

yeah sorry pixie in answer to ur question...

//Eve, again... I'm not recommending it, I was just asking if anyone had the numbers.//.

I get your point - I don't even hazard a guess at the numbers ....im no brain with that sorta thing

[emmie]

think of the outcry though if a hundred thousand dead,

[eve1974]

///think of the outcry though if a hundred thousand dead//

we're more than 2/3rd of the way there already

[eve1974]

it wld be interesting, (and scary, and so sad) to know the total tally of folk who will die because of the repurcussions of lockdown / tiers....things like cancelled cancer tests, people not seeing GP face to face, domestic violence, child abuse (the last 2 thrive behind closed doors and what better time than atm).... THAT is the real cost of covid.